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There are some fantastic PWAs out there. Twitter is the one I use most regularly. I think one of the reasons we see a lot of less-polished PWAs is that the id

There are some fantastic PWAs out there. Twitter is the one I use most regularly. I think one of the reasons we see a lot of less-polished PWAs is that the idea of the PWA appeals to businesses at certain stages. Larger shops can afford to ship native binaries to more than one platform, but a smaller operation can't. PWAs are presumably tempting to those types of product teams: you get multi-platform reach while truly only writing for the web. The fact that their UIs have rough edges are probably a result of having an MVP-stage product.

jfkebwjsbx 7y ago
Writing for the web and trying to be consistent with native UI is a nightmare. It is not about MVP-stage or not, it is simply not worth it.
- jdauriemma 7y ago
  There's no rule that says that an app UI must be consistent with native app conventions.
Twisell 7y ago
Is Twitter really a PWA or just a nicely done responsive website? At this point the boundary is a unclear. Beside Twitter rely on server side storage and pretty much only store session token in the PWA "local storage" (largely speaking). And as a user I rather installed iOS native App to keep finer grained control on permissions. (I also use multi accounts not sure the PWA Handel that?)
- enos_feedler 7y ago
  This highlights a longstanding issue of PWA definition and how to position it against modern web practices and features. What is a PWA? Why is it even a thing?
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- jdauriemma 7y ago
  It is absolutely a PWA, and an excellent one at that. You can add it to your home screen on the desktop and mobile platforms that support it; they have all the trappings of a native application including notifications support, background refresh, etc.
dmitriid 7y ago
Twitter's "PWA" is crap. It has an unending stream of glaring UX/UI errors that only get worse over time. I'm just gonna link to a small subset of failures we've documented: https://www.google.se/search?q=twitter+site:grumpy.website https://www.google.se/search?q=twitter+site:grumpy.website
- jdauriemma 7y ago
  Why enclose PWA in quotes? Just curious. I use Twitter's PWA weekly on more than one platform and it works great for me, but that's just one person's opinion. I prefer it over their native clients for a lot of reasons, but the main value-add is that I don't have to give Twitter access to detailed information about my system while still using a full-featured, first-party client.
  - dmitriid 7y ago
    > Why enclose PWA in quotes? It's twitter's mobile site that they extended to cover both desktop and PWA. As a result, it's quite bad on all fronts and judging by the number of bugs that are lingering with no fixes, abandoned. At least they managed to almost fix the epileptic scroll position [1] > I don't have to give Twitter access to detailed information about my system while still using a full-featured, first-party client. Yes, this is, without a doubt, the best value-proposition of PWAs. [1] https://grumpy.website/post/0RQvmdNmN https://grumpy.website/post/0RQvmdNmN

jfkebwjsbx 7y ago

Writing for the web and trying to be consistent with native UI is a nightmare. It is not about MVP-stage or not, it is simply not worth it.

jdauriemma 7y ago
There's no rule that says that an app UI must be consistent with native app conventions.

Twisell 7y ago

Is Twitter really a PWA or just a nicely done responsive website? At this point the boundary is a unclear. Beside Twitter rely on server side storage and pretty much only store session token in the PWA "local storage" (largely speaking). And as a user I rather installed iOS native App to keep finer grained control on permissions. (I also use multi accounts not sure the PWA Handel that?)

enos_feedler 7y ago
This highlights a longstanding issue of PWA definition and how to position it against modern web practices and features. What is a PWA? Why is it even a thing?
- deleted 7y ago
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jdauriemma 7y ago
It is absolutely a PWA, and an excellent one at that. You can add it to your home screen on the desktop and mobile platforms that support it; they have all the trappings of a native application including notifications support, background refresh, etc.

dmitriid 7y ago

Twitter's "PWA" is crap. It has an unending stream of glaring UX/UI errors that only get worse over time. I'm just gonna link to a small subset of failures we've documented: https://www.google.se/search?q=twitter+site:grumpy.website https://www.google.se/search?q=twitter+site:grumpy.website

jdauriemma 7y ago
Why enclose PWA in quotes? Just curious. I use Twitter's PWA weekly on more than one platform and it works great for me, but that's just one person's opinion. I prefer it over their native clients for a lot of reasons, but the main value-add is that I don't have to give Twitter access to detailed information about my system while still using a full-featured, first-party client.
- dmitriid 7y ago
  > Why enclose PWA in quotes? It's twitter's mobile site that they extended to cover both desktop and PWA. As a result, it's quite bad on all fronts and judging by the number of bugs that are lingering with no fixes, abandoned. At least they managed to almost fix the epileptic scroll position [1] > I don't have to give Twitter access to detailed information about my system while still using a full-featured, first-party client. Yes, this is, without a doubt, the best value-proposition of PWAs. [1] https://grumpy.website/post/0RQvmdNmN https://grumpy.website/post/0RQvmdNmN