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1GB/sec? Why does it (still) take over an hour to copy 100GB of photos and videos off my phone? Every time it seems like a nightmare because I don’t want to u

by zaroth 7y ago

1GB/sec? Why does it (still) take over an hour to copy 100GB of photos and videos off my phone? Every time it seems like a nightmare because I don’t want to use some weird sync, or convert the files as they copy, or store the photos inside an Photos.app container.... I just want the damn files copied onto my NAS where I know they’re safe and automatically mirrored on Backblaze. Been doing it for 10 years now and still a painful and slow manual process. Most recently when I tried, I had to give up trying to do it on a Mac and move to a PC where I could see the individual files and copy them out of each folder and then delete them as a separate step. I can’t be the only one tearing hair out over this...

layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
They make it hard so you give up and subscribe to their cloud storage offering.
- LeoTinnitus 7y ago
  Yes. It's also why all Macs still don't have greater than 128gb hard drives even when nvme has gotten considerably cheaper. I probably will not buy another Apple product until MacOs gets phased out and IpadOS becomes their new platform.
  - thebiss 7y ago
    Right now you can buy a 13" MacBook Pro, customized with 16GB memory, 2TB SSD. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space-gray-2.4ghz-quad-core-processor-with-turbo-boost-up-to-4.1ghz-256gb https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space...
    - LeoTinnitus 7y ago
      I realized I mis-spoke. I should've said the base models.
      - KMnO4 7y ago
        You may want to double check that. Base MacBook Airs comes with 256gb
dogma1138 7y ago
Likely due to a much slower USB controller on the phone as well as the overhead of having to convert between multiple types of file systems and data transfer protocols.
ChuckMcM 7y ago
Note that 1GB/sec is all of a 10 gigabit ethernet line. You probably have, at most, 1Gb between your phone and your NAS if you are using 802.11AC. So 100MB/sec or one tenth that speed for you, maybe much less. That said, if your NAS had a UFS slot you could 'sneakernet' the chip from the phone to the NAS and clone it then pull it out and put it back in your phone. That could conceivably happen in just a few minutes if your NAS CPU and IO system could keep up. No word on their write endurance that I saw.
- fulafel 7y ago
  It's weird how lagging home 10GbE is, given it's so old tech now and the adults have had 40/100Gbe for 7-ish years. Anyone know how much you have to pay for a 10 GbE NAS appliance? (Not that I'd get a NAS appliance on my net anyway, they all seem to be gaping security holes and generally give a crap-IoT or crap-enterprise vibe - the role is well served by x86 hw + normal OS options)
  - magicalhippo 7y ago
    You can get cheap refurbished 10GbE cards on eBay. I got a couple of Mellanox ConnectX-2 cards for like $30 or so and get 1.1GByte/s without tuning between my NAS and my Win10 desktop PC. The MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+IN is a relatively cheap 4 port 10GbE switch.
    - jleahy 7y ago
      You can get a brand new Mellanox card for $210 from their website, shell out $215 and you can get 25G ethernet. It's not really that much to pay once you consider it an expensive component (like a NVMe drive) rather than something that's virtually free (like a 8GB flash drive). The sad truth is that a 10G NIC is something that requires a reasonable amount of modern silicon to produce, so it's not going to be cheap (yes they were producing them back in the 130nm era but that was an act of insanity).
      - magicalhippo 7y ago
LeoTinnitus 7y ago
Haha are you me? I moved back to PCs because of the same issue. Time Machine doesn't cut it and the pushes apple have been making have just made making a logical backup system nigh impossible.
- rblatz 7y ago
  rsync works on MacOS
voltagex_ 7y ago
What are you copying them with? What are you copying them to? If it's Android, the bottleneck will be MTP if you're using a USB cable. Also, if your phone uses USB 3, make sure it's actually running at USB 3 speeds.
m463 7y ago
I would imagine you're not creating 100gb of changed data every day on your phone. cheaper smaller faster: pick 2 or maybe 1

by zaroth 7y ago

layoutIfNeeded 7y ago

They make it hard so you give up and subscribe to their cloud storage offering.

LeoTinnitus 7y ago
Yes. It's also why all Macs still don't have greater than 128gb hard drives even when nvme has gotten considerably cheaper. I probably will not buy another Apple product until MacOs gets phased out and IpadOS becomes their new platform.
- thebiss 7y ago
  Right now you can buy a 13" MacBook Pro, customized with 16GB memory, 2TB SSD. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space-gray-2.4ghz-quad-core-processor-with-turbo-boost-up-to-4.1ghz-256gb https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space...
  - LeoTinnitus 7y ago
    I realized I mis-spoke. I should've said the base models.
    - KMnO4 7y ago
      You may want to double check that. Base MacBook Airs comes with 256gb

dogma1138 7y ago

Likely due to a much slower USB controller on the phone as well as the overhead of having to convert between multiple types of file systems and data transfer protocols.

ChuckMcM 7y ago

Note that 1GB/sec is all of a 10 gigabit ethernet line. You probably have, at most, 1Gb between your phone and your NAS if you are using 802.11AC. So 100MB/sec or one tenth that speed for you, maybe much less. That said, if your NAS had a UFS slot you could 'sneakernet' the chip from the phone to the NAS and clone it then pull it out and put it back in your phone. That could conceivably happen in just a few minutes if your NAS CPU and IO system could keep up. No word on their write endurance that I saw.

fulafel 7y ago
It's weird how lagging home 10GbE is, given it's so old tech now and the adults have had 40/100Gbe for 7-ish years. Anyone know how much you have to pay for a 10 GbE NAS appliance? (Not that I'd get a NAS appliance on my net anyway, they all seem to be gaping security holes and generally give a crap-IoT or crap-enterprise vibe - the role is well served by x86 hw + normal OS options)
- magicalhippo 7y ago
  You can get cheap refurbished 10GbE cards on eBay. I got a couple of Mellanox ConnectX-2 cards for like $30 or so and get 1.1GByte/s without tuning between my NAS and my Win10 desktop PC. The MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+IN is a relatively cheap 4 port 10GbE switch.
  - jleahy 7y ago
    You can get a brand new Mellanox card for $210 from their website, shell out $215 and you can get 25G ethernet. It's not really that much to pay once you consider it an expensive component (like a NVMe drive) rather than something that's virtually free (like a 8GB flash drive). The sad truth is that a 10G NIC is something that requires a reasonable amount of modern silicon to produce, so it's not going to be cheap (yes they were producing them back in the 130nm era but that was an act of insanity).
    - magicalhippo 7y ago

LeoTinnitus 7y ago

Haha are you me? I moved back to PCs because of the same issue. Time Machine doesn't cut it and the pushes apple have been making have just made making a logical backup system nigh impossible.

rblatz 7y ago
rsync works on MacOS

voltagex_ 7y ago

What are you copying them with? What are you copying them to? If it's Android, the bottleneck will be MTP if you're using a USB cable. Also, if your phone uses USB 3, make sure it's actually running at USB 3 speeds.

m463 7y ago

I would imagine you're not creating 100gb of changed data every day on your phone. cheaper smaller faster: pick 2 or maybe 1