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one important element is a behavioral pattern A person with flu and fever would probably stay home and just rough it out, a person with fever fearing the coron

one important element is a behavioral pattern A person with flu and fever would probably stay home and just rough it out, a person with fever fearing the coronavirus will probably rush to the hospital. If everyone having a fever in a flu season would go to the hospital and would demand medical attention we would be running out of hospital beds in normal scenarios as well.

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
You wouldn't run out of ventilators, though, as has happened in different countries with COVID-19.
hiq 7y ago
Can't you efficiently filter for this by only counting the ICU beds (rather than just hospital beds)?
thdrdt 7y ago
Well at least in the Netherlands your claim is false. They don't want you at the hospital unless it is absolutely necessary. Got a fever and still able te breath: stay at home.
- withinboredom 7y ago
  Too true
- viklove 7y ago
  It's the same in the US. They won't even test you here unless you're having trouble breathing.
  - earonesty 7y ago
    That's not even true. I've had pain breathing for weeks, they still won't test. They prescibed corticosteroids, antibiotics and bed rest. They won't test until you're nearly dead. the CFR here is wildly overestimated.
    - VBprogrammer 7y ago
      While that is clearly true, it doesn't change the fact that every population to encounter this virus so far has overwhelmed the available medical provisions. There are people in Italy choosing to drown in their own bodily fluids rather than face the dying the same way in isolation. It doesn't really matter whether the odds are more like winning a bottle of wine in a charity raffle or losing a game of Russian roulette.
DanBC 7y ago
> If everyone having a fever in a flu season would go to the hospital and would demand medical attention we would be running out of hospital beds in normal scenarios as well. You don't get admitted to hospital because you ask. You get admitted to hospital because a doctor admits you. Currently even covid-19 patients don't get admitted to hospital by asking. They need to be pretty severely ill to get admitted to hospital. Health care professionals are triaging as much as possible, and sending people who are suspected (or even confirmed) to have covid-19 back home unless the patient really needs to be admitted. Despite all this triage hospitals are over run and many countries are experimenting with field hospitals built in large sporting gym halls or convention centres. One thing that doctors are telling us is that covid-19 is not like flu for their patients.
ars 7y ago
> we would be running out of hospital beds in normal scenarios as well. You don't get a hospital bed just because you ask for it, you get one if a Doctor thinks you need one. So your premise is inaccurate.
sjg007 7y ago
The hospital won’t admit you unless you have respiratory distress.

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago

You wouldn't run out of ventilators, though, as has happened in different countries with COVID-19.

hiq 7y ago

Can't you efficiently filter for this by only counting the ICU beds (rather than just hospital beds)?

thdrdt 7y ago

Well at least in the Netherlands your claim is false. They don't want you at the hospital unless it is absolutely necessary. Got a fever and still able te breath: stay at home.

withinboredom 7y ago
Too true
viklove 7y ago
It's the same in the US. They won't even test you here unless you're having trouble breathing.
- earonesty 7y ago
  That's not even true. I've had pain breathing for weeks, they still won't test. They prescibed corticosteroids, antibiotics and bed rest. They won't test until you're nearly dead. the CFR here is wildly overestimated.
  - VBprogrammer 7y ago
    While that is clearly true, it doesn't change the fact that every population to encounter this virus so far has overwhelmed the available medical provisions. There are people in Italy choosing to drown in their own bodily fluids rather than face the dying the same way in isolation. It doesn't really matter whether the odds are more like winning a bottle of wine in a charity raffle or losing a game of Russian roulette.

DanBC 7y ago

> If everyone having a fever in a flu season would go to the hospital and would demand medical attention we would be running out of hospital beds in normal scenarios as well. You don't get admitted to hospital because you ask. You get admitted to hospital because a doctor admits you. Currently even covid-19 patients don't get admitted to hospital by asking. They need to be pretty severely ill to get admitted to hospital. Health care professionals are triaging as much as possible, and sending people who are suspected (or even confirmed) to have covid-19 back home unless the patient really needs to be admitted. Despite all this triage hospitals are over run and many countries are experimenting with field hospitals built in large sporting gym halls or convention centres. One thing that doctors are telling us is that covid-19 is not like flu for their patients.

ars 7y ago

> we would be running out of hospital beds in normal scenarios as well. You don't get a hospital bed just because you ask for it, you get one if a Doctor thinks you need one. So your premise is inaccurate.

sjg007 7y ago

The hospital won’t admit you unless you have respiratory distress.