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Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU? They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without wri
by 101404 7y ago
Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU?
They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without written consent.
That alone should mean billions of euros in fines.
- Nextgrid 7y agoThere is no arrest warrant for Google, Facebook or ad network employees either despite them violating the GDPR on a daily basis and very large scale. Granted, the GDPR doesn't say anything about arresting offenders, but the companies should at least be investigated and fined, which isn't happening either. The GDPR is a joke.
- new_here 7y agohttps://www.enforcementtracker.com/ https://www.enforcementtracker.com/
- TrickyRick 7y agoThis exactly, it's very much happening even if you're not reading it in the news every time.
- a_imho 7y agoIf you search for Google, you will find one 50M fine. What is the 4% of Google revenue's again? 50M is filed under cost of doing business or the corruption budget if you are not that generous.
- raverbashing 7y agoSo you mean the small companies won't get fines of 10Mi dollars as everyone is so quick to claim here?
- a_imho 7y agoThat is not what I said. I only asserted that major and repeat offenders do not get the book thrown at them.
- lonelappde 7y agoWhat specific violation do you have in mind? Google has been fined $5B for various non-GDPR violations.
- moron4hire 7y agoHave they paid any of it? FCC has fined robodialers in the hundreds of millions but only managed to collect a fraction of a percent.
- kube-system 7y agoThe difference being jurisdiction. Google operates within the EU. Most robodialers targeting the US are not in the US.
- Faark 7y agoYour info seems a bit out of date: > SWEDEN > 2020-03-11 > 7,000,000 > Google LLC > Art. 5 GDPR, Art. 6 GDPR, Art. 17 GDPR
- riedel 7y agoAs long as they process openly available data I do not see a difference from searching your name on the internet in terms of the gdpr. They also responded to the request (maybe not fast enough) . Deletion would be a difficult thing maybe to be fully compliant to eu regulations .if its ethical is another story...
- a_imho 7y agoHow is a Facebook profile openly available? Facebook probably gets pii via unreasonably broad blanket opt-outs, which is itself problematic, then it is shared with / not kept safe from a third party.
- lonelappde 7y agoIt's literally on a pubicly viewable URL. Do you delete your local copy of any photo view on Facebook?
- 101404 7y agoWrong. PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for. There is no "open" personal data you may just use for anything.
- hectormalot 7y ago> PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for. Not exactly. Consent is one of six allowed ways to process PII. It’s just that for advertising/tracking use its probably the only one that you can use.
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y agoAnd biometrics (which would include images of faces) are a special category of data with stricter restrictions.
- riedel 7y ago
- isoprophlex 7y agohttps://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/board/members_en https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/board/members_en Europeans can find their national privacy boards here, and file complaints about Clearview through them.
- saturday14 7y agoBecause the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok with their data. Sad thing is, it is already too late. It is going to be very difficult to put a lid on this. This is a company that we (now) know about - how many are there silently working in the shadows that we don't know about?
- matheusmoreira 7y ago> It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok with their data. Exploitation is the best education there is. Everything is fine until it isn't. One day, companies and governments are going to start doing things with personal information that are unacceptable to even the average person. By then, it will probably be too late.
- snikeris 7y agoCase in point: The Nazis used census records to identify Jews. Who knows what pieces of personal information the next madman will consider relevant. They'll certainly have much more of it to choose from.
- lozaning 7y agoI've heard anecdotally that the DOD takes privacy and security significantly more seriously post OPM hack.
- dnissley 7y agoIs potential surveillance by government entities the primary reason you are against companies generally doing whatever they want with user data? Are there other rationales? Just like your friends, I personally don't particularly care either, but from time to time I have tried to understand the privacy crowd's obsession with this issue and the rationale behind laws like the GDPR and CCPA, as well as the desire for even more restrictive laws and I truly don't get it. Is there a manifesto somewhere I'm missing? Some essay or thinkpiece that lays out in detail the case against collection of user data?
- mstolpm 7y agoInvestigations are on the way. Heise online writes (translated): "Hamburg data protection officer takes action against Clearview. Following a complaint, data protection officer Johannes Caspar is investigating the US company Clearview AI, which specialises in automated facial recognition. [...]" Source (in german): https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Gesichtserkennung-Hamburgischer-Datenschuetzer-geht-gegen-Clearview-vor-4687290.html https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Gesichtserkennung-Ha...
- microdrum 7y agoMaybe because no one actually thinks that there is a privacy interest in public photos of his/her face that he/she posts on the public internet?
- pc86 7y agoA Facebook profile that you have to register, and is only accessible post-login, is not "public" by any reasonable definition.
- dathinab 7y agoLegal actions are currently in the process of being carried out. But this take some time to clarify thinks. Like part of the pictures come from old failed social networks which sold them and which in their AGB _might_ state that they can do so. Now it's questionable if such AGB is valid at all but as such it needs to: - If European citizens are affected (it's hard to be be the case). - the exact legal status as pictures might have been optained legally before GDPR - ... - also note Clearview stores biometric data (devices from the images, necessary or "fast" search/lookup would not be implementable So I would not be surprised that Clearview will be required to delete all data from which it can not be sure it's not from EU citizens, which I think would mean all data given what they store and what they don't store. Obviously they won't comply and a EU wide arrest warrant might follow which is kinda useless if the person doesn't enter the EU. I highly doubt that they will try a international warrant. So practically it's unlike that anything will change except the operators of Clearview being listed official as "potential" criminal (no arrest => no court => innocent until convicted)
- manigandham 7y agoGDPR is EU law and does not cover American corporations. It relies entirely on foreign cooperation [1] to extend that reach internationally, which so far has been untested and is not likely to get any real support in the near term given the current economic situation. 1. https://gdpr.eu/article-50-countries-outside-of-europe-cooperation/ https://gdpr.eu/article-50-countries-outside-of-europe-coope...