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Why? Those people chose to do something bad. The programmer was not doing anything intentionally wrong.

MiroF 7y ago
He drove his motorcycle into two people, one of whom was standing and helping their friend who was intoxicated on the ground.
dredmorbius 7y ago
In 2020 hindsight, operating a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being represents at the least negligence. Circumstances as described possibly mitigating some aspects of this, but driving (or motorcycle riding) is an inherently and widely known dangerous activity. Situational awareness is a requisite practice.
- syshum 7y ago
  So you can not envision any scenario where a person could "operate a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being" being completely avoidable accident?
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    Your question seems unclearly phrased and with a literal meaning at odds with its tone. But yes: a proper respect for circimstances and situation might have avoided the accident.
- lstodd 7y ago
  So I choose to jump off of an overpass and happen to land straight in your vehicle's path and now you're somehow negligent?
  - sdegutis 7y ago
    At night time, coming over a hill, coming up to a crosswalk, being met with oncoming headlights, it’s reasonable to expect a little more caution than just driving the speed limit as if it’s broad daylight on a flat road. The report seems to indicate that one person was on the ground and the other was helping them up. This doesn’t sound as completely unavoidable as your example.
    - lstodd 7y ago
      The guy was moving at 60kmh which is about 37mph. The only way you do not notice incoming shit at this speed riding a bike is because the shit literally jumps at you. I know only too well what the "courts of law" are like in Russia. My opinion is that the guy got a wrong lawyer who either could not pass a bribe to the judge, or the other side passed a bigger bribe.
joecool1029 7y ago
I think this is the correct take from this. It's also one of those situations where US law would be superior over poorly coded civil law (like Russia apparently has). As I understand they only evaluate that the violation occurred (i.e.: person dead, in crosswalk, done by attacker on vehicle). Absent additional information like cam footage showing them jumping out of a bush at the last moment into the crosswalk for insurance fraud, the case will result in a conviction. It is simply the case that things happen out of a driver's control. In the US you'd be looking at a consideration for involuntary manslaughter charge (or perhaps a lesser negligence charge) if it was found that they were speeding or impaired. Absent those circumstances, it's unlikely any charge would be brought forth. There are some other ways a similar charge could be brought in an investigation, but that's generally how it goes. A final note on the topic of getting drunk and playing in traffic. I highly recommend you get people that do stuff like this to sign up for organ donation. I have a good friend who had a congenital heart defect that benefited from a heart transplant. This was after the donor walked into traffic blitzed on holiday. So it might be that out of the tragedy of a wasted life they might be able to save someone else's.
- MiroF 7y ago
  > I think this is the correct take from this. The correct take is jail time for non-violent crime and no jail time for programmers who (regardless of whether we believe his story) killed someone?
bluntfang 7y ago
why are you equating laws with morality? Just because there's a law does not de facto might is right or wrong.

He drove his motorcycle into two people, one of whom was standing and helping their friend who was intoxicated on the ground.

dredmorbius 7y ago

In 2020 hindsight, operating a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being represents at the least negligence. Circumstances as described possibly mitigating some aspects of this, but driving (or motorcycle riding) is an inherently and widely known dangerous activity. Situational awareness is a requisite practice.

syshum 7y ago
So you can not envision any scenario where a person could "operate a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being" being completely avoidable accident?
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  Your question seems unclearly phrased and with a literal meaning at odds with its tone. But yes: a proper respect for circimstances and situation might have avoided the accident.
lstodd 7y ago
So I choose to jump off of an overpass and happen to land straight in your vehicle's path and now you're somehow negligent?
- sdegutis 7y ago
  At night time, coming over a hill, coming up to a crosswalk, being met with oncoming headlights, it’s reasonable to expect a little more caution than just driving the speed limit as if it’s broad daylight on a flat road. The report seems to indicate that one person was on the ground and the other was helping them up. This doesn’t sound as completely unavoidable as your example.
  - lstodd 7y ago
    The guy was moving at 60kmh which is about 37mph. The only way you do not notice incoming shit at this speed riding a bike is because the shit literally jumps at you. I know only too well what the "courts of law" are like in Russia. My opinion is that the guy got a wrong lawyer who either could not pass a bribe to the judge, or the other side passed a bigger bribe.

joecool1029 7y ago

I think this is the correct take from this. It's also one of those situations where US law would be superior over poorly coded civil law (like Russia apparently has). As I understand they only evaluate that the violation occurred (i.e.: person dead, in crosswalk, done by attacker on vehicle). Absent additional information like cam footage showing them jumping out of a bush at the last moment into the crosswalk for insurance fraud, the case will result in a conviction. It is simply the case that things happen out of a driver's control. In the US you'd be looking at a consideration for involuntary manslaughter charge (or perhaps a lesser negligence charge) if it was found that they were speeding or impaired. Absent those circumstances, it's unlikely any charge would be brought forth. There are some other ways a similar charge could be brought in an investigation, but that's generally how it goes. A final note on the topic of getting drunk and playing in traffic. I highly recommend you get people that do stuff like this to sign up for organ donation. I have a good friend who had a congenital heart defect that benefited from a heart transplant. This was after the donor walked into traffic blitzed on holiday. So it might be that out of the tragedy of a wasted life they might be able to save someone else's.

MiroF 7y ago
> I think this is the correct take from this. The correct take is jail time for non-violent crime and no jail time for programmers who (regardless of whether we believe his story) killed someone?

bluntfang 7y ago

why are you equating laws with morality? Just because there's a law does not de facto might is right or wrong.