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Covid-19: España necesita ayuda urgente/Spain needs urgent help

9 points by robomartin 7y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkJPgmB8s3M La situación en España ha alcanzado una crueldad inimaginable. Tienen que dejar morir solos y sedados a los mayores de 65 años. Esto se debe a una combinación de falta de equipos (respiradores), recursos, medicos, enfermeras y la inacción del gobierno. Los hospitales están colapsados. Spain is having to allow people 65 or older die due to the lack of personnel, resources and inaction on the part of government. They are quite literally sedating those 65 or older to let them die alone. The healthcare system is collapsing.

marketgod 7y ago
Maybe this can help? https://edmontonjournal.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/ontario-doctor-rigs-up-solution-to-double-ventilator-capacity-in-rural-hospital/wcm/422bd2a8-eca2-4218-bb0b-fffae2f4b8e3/ https://edmontonjournal.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/ont... I have no experience/education with regards to this but I was just linked to this article from another conversation. Edit: Stay safe friend.
- robomartin 7y ago
  This solution has been going around for a while. I read a paper about it. In fact, I believe they expanded it such that one ventilator could service four patients. The issue seems to be that normally a ventilator has sensors and modes that will track patient needs and auto-adjust accordingly. When you split it like that they have to be used in a mode where the machine operates in a fixed mode and, for lack of a better description, just shoves air into the patients without much regard for what they might be doing. The paper described this as "very uncomfortable". Yes, better than nothing. I would hope they are already doing this in Spain.
switch007 7y ago
https://www.heraldo.es https://www.heraldo.es reporting on who this person is: > En cuanto al autor del vídeo, muchos mensajes compartidos en redes sociales le identifican como médico, aunque en la grabación él no se atribuye esa condición. Según ha podido comprobar EFE, en su cuenta de Facebook se presenta como residente en Badajoz, con estudios de "CICE" en ITAE, una escuela de negocios ubicada en la capital pacense. [My rough translations] > In regards to the author of the video, many comments on social media call him a doctor, however he does not call himself one in the video. According to what EFE was able to verify, his Facebook profile shows him as a resident of Badajoz and an alumnus of CICE at ITAE, a business school in Badajoz. > En su foto de perfil incluye el logotipo de Vox. Aparece identificado como militante de este partido en una imagen que la cuenta oficial de Vox en Badajoz publicó en Facebook el 31 de octubre de 2018 para ilustrar una reunión con afiliados. > His profile photo contains the Vox logo. An image of a meeting of affiliates published 31 October 2018 in the official Badajoz Vox account identifies him as a member of that party
- ThePowerOfFuet 7y ago
  Can you please link directly to the article you're referring to?
  - switch007 7y ago
    Oops, sorry! https://www.heraldo.es/noticias/nacional/2020/03/24/madrid-desmiente-que-dejen-sin-respiradores-a-los-ingresados-con-coronavirus-mayores-de-65-anos-1365754.html https://www.heraldo.es/noticias/nacional/2020/03/24/madrid-d... N.B. all was said without comment. I make no comment on the quality of Heraldo's/EFE's journalism.
- robomartin 7y ago
  The audio he plays is from a person who self identifies as a front line doctor. She says so during her explanation of the situation they have.
  - switch007 7y ago
    I listened to it. She says "Soy médico de la Comunidad de Madrid" ("I am a doctor in the Community of Madrid"). (She also seems to include herself in reference to "personal sanitario" (health workers)) When does she say she's a frontline doctor? I don't hear her nor him say her name, so it is hard to verify who she is.
    - robomartin 7y ago
      She didn't, I guess I assumed that was the case given what she was describing and the emotion she communicated. I mean, she wasn't speaking like a doctor seeing kids at her private office.
      - switch007 7y ago
        Exactly. Things can be very emotional, convincing, and completely fabricated. I'm honestly not deciding either way in this case, but even in a pandemic we must seek truth. I've lived in Madrid and have friends in Spain and it'd make me very sad if it were true. But we must seek the facts.
juancarlosnieto 7y ago
Esto es completamente FALSO. Yo soy de España y no se está viviendo esta situación. Además soy de Madrid, la ciudad con más casos de infectados del país. Lamentablemente toda esta situación se está utilizando políticamente por parte de una derecha que se ha dedicado en este país a recortar los servicios públicos durante 12 años y ahora pretenden embarrar el trabajo de todos los que están dejándose la piel por cuidar de todos nosotros. Sí, hay falta de medios, sí, se están viviendo situaciones dramáticas. Pero utilizar esto políticamente es muy rastrero. Fomentar este tipo de bulos con la única prueba de un audio de WhatsApp anónimo es de ser poco patriota y muy insolidario.

9 points by robomartin 7y ago

marketgod 7y ago

Maybe this can help? https://edmontonjournal.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/ontario-doctor-rigs-up-solution-to-double-ventilator-capacity-in-rural-hospital/wcm/422bd2a8-eca2-4218-bb0b-fffae2f4b8e3/ https://edmontonjournal.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/ont... I have no experience/education with regards to this but I was just linked to this article from another conversation. Edit: Stay safe friend.

robomartin 7y ago
This solution has been going around for a while. I read a paper about it. In fact, I believe they expanded it such that one ventilator could service four patients. The issue seems to be that normally a ventilator has sensors and modes that will track patient needs and auto-adjust accordingly. When you split it like that they have to be used in a mode where the machine operates in a fixed mode and, for lack of a better description, just shoves air into the patients without much regard for what they might be doing. The paper described this as "very uncomfortable". Yes, better than nothing. I would hope they are already doing this in Spain.

switch007 7y ago

https://www.heraldo.es https://www.heraldo.es reporting on who this person is: > En cuanto al autor del vídeo, muchos mensajes compartidos en redes sociales le identifican como médico, aunque en la grabación él no se atribuye esa condición. Según ha podido comprobar EFE, en su cuenta de Facebook se presenta como residente en Badajoz, con estudios de "CICE" en ITAE, una escuela de negocios ubicada en la capital pacense. [My rough translations] > In regards to the author of the video, many comments on social media call him a doctor, however he does not call himself one in the video. According to what EFE was able to verify, his Facebook profile shows him as a resident of Badajoz and an alumnus of CICE at ITAE, a business school in Badajoz. > En su foto de perfil incluye el logotipo de Vox. Aparece identificado como militante de este partido en una imagen que la cuenta oficial de Vox en Badajoz publicó en Facebook el 31 de octubre de 2018 para ilustrar una reunión con afiliados. > His profile photo contains the Vox logo. An image of a meeting of affiliates published 31 October 2018 in the official Badajoz Vox account identifies him as a member of that party

ThePowerOfFuet 7y ago
Can you please link directly to the article you're referring to?
- switch007 7y ago
  Oops, sorry! https://www.heraldo.es/noticias/nacional/2020/03/24/madrid-desmiente-que-dejen-sin-respiradores-a-los-ingresados-con-coronavirus-mayores-de-65-anos-1365754.html https://www.heraldo.es/noticias/nacional/2020/03/24/madrid-d... N.B. all was said without comment. I make no comment on the quality of Heraldo's/EFE's journalism.
robomartin 7y ago
The audio he plays is from a person who self identifies as a front line doctor. She says so during her explanation of the situation they have.
- switch007 7y ago
  I listened to it. She says "Soy médico de la Comunidad de Madrid" ("I am a doctor in the Community of Madrid"). (She also seems to include herself in reference to "personal sanitario" (health workers)) When does she say she's a frontline doctor? I don't hear her nor him say her name, so it is hard to verify who she is.
  - robomartin 7y ago
    She didn't, I guess I assumed that was the case given what she was describing and the emotion she communicated. I mean, she wasn't speaking like a doctor seeing kids at her private office.
    - switch007 7y ago
      Exactly. Things can be very emotional, convincing, and completely fabricated. I'm honestly not deciding either way in this case, but even in a pandemic we must seek truth. I've lived in Madrid and have friends in Spain and it'd make me very sad if it were true. But we must seek the facts.

juancarlosnieto 7y ago

Esto es completamente FALSO. Yo soy de España y no se está viviendo esta situación. Además soy de Madrid, la ciudad con más casos de infectados del país. Lamentablemente toda esta situación se está utilizando políticamente por parte de una derecha que se ha dedicado en este país a recortar los servicios públicos durante 12 años y ahora pretenden embarrar el trabajo de todos los que están dejándose la piel por cuidar de todos nosotros. Sí, hay falta de medios, sí, se están viviendo situaciones dramáticas. Pero utilizar esto políticamente es muy rastrero. Fomentar este tipo de bulos con la única prueba de un audio de WhatsApp anónimo es de ser poco patriota y muy insolidario.