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People are having a lot of fun with this headline, and it is shockingly expensive, but it's pretty important to point out that the costly "flush" is a periodic

by evan_ 7y ago

People are having a lot of fun with this headline, and it is shockingly expensive, but it's pretty important to point out that the costly "flush" is a periodic maintenance procedure. It doesn't literally cost $400k every time someone flushes a toilet.

Fezzik 7y ago
It is confusing as written - the $400k us for the occasional system flush, not per each flush of each sailor. I get that they wanted the word-play, but it would have been clearer to just write “400k for a periodic system flush”, instead of un/intentionally obfuscating it.
- giancarlostoro 7y ago
  Maybe the term annual wouldnt be so bad. Not sure about periodic.
- manigandham 7y ago
  Nobody would click on this article otherwise.
  - Nuzzerino 7y ago
    That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.
jonas21 7y ago
Yeah, periodic $400K maintenance on a sewage system serving 4,000 people actually sounds kind of reasonable and is one of the least troublesome things in the GAO report [1]. I'm a lot more concerned about things like this: > In an effort to improve sustainment of the LPD 17 class ships, the Navy decided to install titanium piping to carry seawater for firefighting and to cool machinery instead of copper-nickel piping because of its lighter weight and increased durability. However, instead of saving effort in sustainment, these pipes required more maintenance effort than planned and, in many cases, eventually had to be replaced. Early in the acquisition process, the Navy studied this decision and discovered that unlike copper-nickel piping, titanium piping carrying seawater is susceptible to “biofouling” — meaning sea life such as shellfish grow inside the pipes. To prevent biofouling, Navy engineers determined that a chlorination system — which adds chlorine to seawater entering the ship in order to kill biological material in the water — and a dechlorination system — which removes the chlorine before the seawater is dumped from the ship — would be needed and included specifications for the shipbuilder to install these systems. Then, according to shipbuilding program officials, after the ship was on contract, the shipbuilder reported to the Navy that it could not find suitable chlorination and dechlorination systems. The program office decided to proceed with ship construction absent these systems and evaluate the extent of the biofouling problem after ship delivery ... Biofouling degraded the functionality of a number of other systems on the ship that depend on the water delivered by the piping system, resulting in overheating of main and ship service engines and loss of electric power generation, among other problems. To address these and related issues across the LPD 17 class, the Navy’s fleet spent at least $250 million to: (1) buy and install new copper-nickel piping that is now costlier, heavier, and not as durable as titanium; (2) install chlorination systems that were later found to be unreliable, requiring significant maintenance; and (3) conduct unplanned maintenance and replace systems that broke due to shellfish contamination, among other interventions. Or this: > The Navy used a new design for CVN 77’s stores elevators, which are used to move provisions between decks. However, among other issues, the elevators are too small to fit a standard sized pallet jack. Thus, provisions cannot be loaded or unloaded with a pallet jack or a forklift and must be manually unpacked and stacked by hand on to the elevator. Unloading is further complicated, according to the ship’s crew, because the elevator doors are so small that the average sailor cannot stand up as they enter and exit the elevator. [1] https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/705463.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/705463.pdf
- astronautjones 7y ago
  and for what. "how will you pay for it" x10000. maldito país, this country is a joke

by evan_ 7y ago

Fezzik 7y ago

It is confusing as written - the $400k us for the occasional system flush, not per each flush of each sailor. I get that they wanted the word-play, but it would have been clearer to just write “400k for a periodic system flush”, instead of un/intentionally obfuscating it.

giancarlostoro 7y ago
Maybe the term annual wouldnt be so bad. Not sure about periodic.
manigandham 7y ago
Nobody would click on this article otherwise.
- Nuzzerino 7y ago
  That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.

jonas21 7y ago

Yeah, periodic $400K maintenance on a sewage system serving 4,000 people actually sounds kind of reasonable and is one of the least troublesome things in the GAO report [1]. I'm a lot more concerned about things like this: > In an effort to improve sustainment of the LPD 17 class ships, the Navy decided to install titanium piping to carry seawater for firefighting and to cool machinery instead of copper-nickel piping because of its lighter weight and increased durability. However, instead of saving effort in sustainment, these pipes required more maintenance effort than planned and, in many cases, eventually had to be replaced. Early in the acquisition process, the Navy studied this decision and discovered that unlike copper-nickel piping, titanium piping carrying seawater is susceptible to “biofouling” — meaning sea life such as shellfish grow inside the pipes. To prevent biofouling, Navy engineers determined that a chlorination system — which adds chlorine to seawater entering the ship in order to kill biological material in the water — and a dechlorination system — which removes the chlorine before the seawater is dumped from the ship — would be needed and included specifications for the shipbuilder to install these systems. Then, according to shipbuilding program officials, after the ship was on contract, the shipbuilder reported to the Navy that it could not find suitable chlorination and dechlorination systems. The program office decided to proceed with ship construction absent these systems and evaluate the extent of the biofouling problem after ship delivery ... Biofouling degraded the functionality of a number of other systems on the ship that depend on the water delivered by the piping system, resulting in overheating of main and ship service engines and loss of electric power generation, among other problems. To address these and related issues across the LPD 17 class, the Navy’s fleet spent at least $250 million to: (1) buy and install new copper-nickel piping that is now costlier, heavier, and not as durable as titanium; (2) install chlorination systems that were later found to be unreliable, requiring significant maintenance; and (3) conduct unplanned maintenance and replace systems that broke due to shellfish contamination, among other interventions. Or this: > The Navy used a new design for CVN 77’s stores elevators, which are used to move provisions between decks. However, among other issues, the elevators are too small to fit a standard sized pallet jack. Thus, provisions cannot be loaded or unloaded with a pallet jack or a forklift and must be manually unpacked and stacked by hand on to the elevator. Unloading is further complicated, according to the ship’s crew, because the elevator doors are so small that the average sailor cannot stand up as they enter and exit the elevator. [1] https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/705463.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/705463.pdf

astronautjones 7y ago
and for what. "how will you pay for it" x10000. maldito país, this country is a joke