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Funny you mention GIMP, that's one OSS program that needs a UI refresh badly.

by Andrex 16y ago

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mkr-hn 16y ago
They've had something going since at least February '07 (going by the refresh wiki edit history), but I don't see any sign that it's produced a tangible product. Lots of pretty mockups though.
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minozake 16y ago
I disagree. I, against popular opinion, like Gimp's UI a lot. It just feels natural to me.
- SkyMarshal 16y ago
  Same, especially on Linux where I can just give it its own workspace, the lack of container window isn't a problem.
- nitrogen 16y ago
  I love the right-click interface in GIMP because it makes almost everything I need to do immediately available. But why on earth don't they sort and/or categorize the tool palette icons?
nnutter 16y ago
I have not really seen any evidence of GIMP being that poor of a UI. The biggest complaint is the multi-window interface for which single-window mode is currently in alpha and should be out in a few months or so.
- mkr-hn 16y ago
  It's a little clumsy if you're working with two images on one screen (especially when drawing/painting with references). A single-window interface has a menu option that lets you tile them. I'll be happy when the single-window version is released.
  - idonthack 16y ago
    most complaints about gimp's multi-window UI are really complaints about window management. window management should be handled by the window manager, not by each application.
    - d5tryr 16y ago
      That may absolve the app of responsibility, doesn't make the UI any better though.
- T-R 16y ago
  There's a lot of duplication (Colors, Tools>Color Tools; Brush in Toolbox & as Dockable window), things that are out of place (View>Show Grid, Image>Configure Grid), common workflows that require more clicks than in other editors (Select-Copy-DeSelect-Paste), odd choice of defaults (When resizing canvas, choose "resize all layers" instead of "None"), and other odd design choices (Toolbox can't be a dockable window, Toolbox needs scrollbar if vertical Resolution<1024) that make GIMP occasionally frustrating to use, despite being an otherwise awesome tool.
- dagw 16y ago
  The biggest complaint is that things that should be easy and obvious are buried in counter-intuitive places. The second biggest complaint is that it looks really weird on Windows. The whole mutli-window vs singel-window is a minor argument in comparison.
jxcole 16y ago
On that note: I thought that Inkscape was really cool until I tried Blender. The UI experience for Blender is hundreds of times easier because many of the things that you have to do regularly (like scrolling back and forth) are shortcuts. Not to derail the conversation too much, but Inkscape also needs some improvement where UI is concerned, many things that should be easy are not.
- wlesieutre 16y ago
  I assume you mean the Blender 2.5 beta? The UI experience for Blender 2.4 and earlier was the least easy interface I've ever seen. Granted it's fantastic once you know how to use it, but good luck with that.
  - khafra 16y ago
    Thanks for resolving that particular cognitive dissonance; I tried Blender once, then gave up in bewilderment after a few hours. I may have to give it another shot.
    - jxcole 16y ago
      Sorry for not being clear. Blender is by no means an example of a superb UI. The learning curve is exceedingly high and even after hundreds of hours behind the controls there are many things I do not understand. Much of this is because the UI controls do not make sense. Of course, with the release of 2.5 there were some improvements, but it is still not that great. That being said, one thing they did EXTREMELY well was put shortcut keys on all of the things that you do frequently. After doing Inkscape for a while I get really frustrated by the lack of easy navigation.

Funny you mention GIMP, that's one OSS program that needs a UI refresh badly.

by Andrex 16y ago

Funny you mention GIMP, that's one OSS program that needs a UI refresh badly.

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mkr-hn 16y ago

They've had something going since at least February '07 (going by the refresh wiki edit history), but I don't see any sign that it's produced a tangible product. Lots of pretty mockups though.

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minozake 16y ago

I disagree. I, against popular opinion, like Gimp's UI a lot. It just feels natural to me.

SkyMarshal 16y ago
Same, especially on Linux where I can just give it its own workspace, the lack of container window isn't a problem.
nitrogen 16y ago
I love the right-click interface in GIMP because it makes almost everything I need to do immediately available. But why on earth don't they sort and/or categorize the tool palette icons?

nnutter 16y ago

I have not really seen any evidence of GIMP being that poor of a UI. The biggest complaint is the multi-window interface for which single-window mode is currently in alpha and should be out in a few months or so.

mkr-hn 16y ago
It's a little clumsy if you're working with two images on one screen (especially when drawing/painting with references). A single-window interface has a menu option that lets you tile them. I'll be happy when the single-window version is released.
- idonthack 16y ago
  most complaints about gimp's multi-window UI are really complaints about window management. window management should be handled by the window manager, not by each application.
  - d5tryr 16y ago
    That may absolve the app of responsibility, doesn't make the UI any better though.
T-R 16y ago
There's a lot of duplication (Colors, Tools>Color Tools; Brush in Toolbox & as Dockable window), things that are out of place (View>Show Grid, Image>Configure Grid), common workflows that require more clicks than in other editors (Select-Copy-DeSelect-Paste), odd choice of defaults (When resizing canvas, choose "resize all layers" instead of "None"), and other odd design choices (Toolbox can't be a dockable window, Toolbox needs scrollbar if vertical Resolution<1024) that make GIMP occasionally frustrating to use, despite being an otherwise awesome tool.
dagw 16y ago
The biggest complaint is that things that should be easy and obvious are buried in counter-intuitive places. The second biggest complaint is that it looks really weird on Windows. The whole mutli-window vs singel-window is a minor argument in comparison.

jxcole 16y ago

On that note: I thought that Inkscape was really cool until I tried Blender. The UI experience for Blender is hundreds of times easier because many of the things that you have to do regularly (like scrolling back and forth) are shortcuts. Not to derail the conversation too much, but Inkscape also needs some improvement where UI is concerned, many things that should be easy are not.

wlesieutre 16y ago
I assume you mean the Blender 2.5 beta? The UI experience for Blender 2.4 and earlier was the least easy interface I've ever seen. Granted it's fantastic once you know how to use it, but good luck with that.
- khafra 16y ago
  Thanks for resolving that particular cognitive dissonance; I tried Blender once, then gave up in bewilderment after a few hours. I may have to give it another shot.
  - jxcole 16y ago
    Sorry for not being clear. Blender is by no means an example of a superb UI. The learning curve is exceedingly high and even after hundreds of hours behind the controls there are many things I do not understand. Much of this is because the UI controls do not make sense. Of course, with the release of 2.5 there were some improvements, but it is still not that great. That being said, one thing they did EXTREMELY well was put shortcut keys on all of the things that you do frequently. After doing Inkscape for a while I get really frustrated by the lack of easy navigation.