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> anyone writing a UI in 2020 to have a damn good reason to not use react and redux. Avoiding JavaScript is all the reason anyone needs. UI =\= website

hombre_fatal 7y ago
The most charitable interpretation of their point is any UI where you were going to use Javascript heavily anyways which is what Redux+Redux competes with. To take your point to absurdity, you could also just say "nope, write a native client instead."
- bryanrasmussen 7y ago
  I thought the point to absurdity was what they mean by UI =\= website? on edit: =\= is the prolog version of !=, I guess they didn't want to use != in case anyone thought they used JavaScript in real life.
- dahfizz 7y ago
  What is absurd about native programs? I think trying to turn a web browser into an OS is absurd.
  - stnmtn 7y ago
    It's orders of magnitude harder to get users to download a program than it is to just give them a link and have everything right there, no?
    - chadcmulligan 7y ago
      Its a trade off though - its orders of magnitude harder to develop a web browser app, and they are slower, and there are limits to what you can do. So yes the link is easier but its a trade off, so just saying you can just send a link glosses over a lot of decisions, you can just send a link to something on an App Store to, and the power difference in the apps is significant and really how hard is it to install something from an App Store
    - dahfizz 7y ago
      Sure, if the only metric you care about is "how easy is it to try out my project" then making a website makes sense. That's a very single-dimensional decision making progress. You're nowhere near convincing that all UIs must be made with a website. Even if we restrict our view to UIs made for businesses for the purpose of making a profit, native apps make a lot of sense. Just think of any big tech company; they all have robust apps and consumers largely prefer the apps. You can order door dash or an Uber in a web browser, but people almost always use the app because a good native app is a better experience than a good website app.
  - hombre_fatal 7y ago
    My point is that web applications have their place. The absurdity is the dismissal of Javascript in a conversation about building web applications with Javascript.
chadcmulligan 7y ago
indeed the default assumption on hacker news is web site, I feel saddened that so much developer time is spent on getting round the limitations of browsers. There are so many constraints on UI in a browser that any discussion seems moot.

hombre_fatal 7y ago

The most charitable interpretation of their point is any UI where you were going to use Javascript heavily anyways which is what Redux+Redux competes with. To take your point to absurdity, you could also just say "nope, write a native client instead."

bryanrasmussen 7y ago
I thought the point to absurdity was what they mean by UI =\= website? on edit: =\= is the prolog version of !=, I guess they didn't want to use != in case anyone thought they used JavaScript in real life.
dahfizz 7y ago
What is absurd about native programs? I think trying to turn a web browser into an OS is absurd.
- stnmtn 7y ago
  It's orders of magnitude harder to get users to download a program than it is to just give them a link and have everything right there, no?
  - chadcmulligan 7y ago
    Its a trade off though - its orders of magnitude harder to develop a web browser app, and they are slower, and there are limits to what you can do. So yes the link is easier but its a trade off, so just saying you can just send a link glosses over a lot of decisions, you can just send a link to something on an App Store to, and the power difference in the apps is significant and really how hard is it to install something from an App Store
  - dahfizz 7y ago
    Sure, if the only metric you care about is "how easy is it to try out my project" then making a website makes sense. That's a very single-dimensional decision making progress. You're nowhere near convincing that all UIs must be made with a website. Even if we restrict our view to UIs made for businesses for the purpose of making a profit, native apps make a lot of sense. Just think of any big tech company; they all have robust apps and consumers largely prefer the apps. You can order door dash or an Uber in a web browser, but people almost always use the app because a good native app is a better experience than a good website app.
- hombre_fatal 7y ago
  My point is that web applications have their place. The absurdity is the dismissal of Javascript in a conversation about building web applications with Javascript.

chadcmulligan 7y ago

indeed the default assumption on hacker news is web site, I feel saddened that so much developer time is spent on getting round the limitations of browsers. There are so many constraints on UI in a browser that any discussion seems moot.