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Are you sure? I've been running Linux for a long time with no page file. From 4gb to 32gb (The amount of RAM I have now) and have literally only ran out of RAM

by smabie 7y ago

Are you sure? I've been running Linux for a long time with no page file. From 4gb to 32gb (The amount of RAM I have now) and have literally only ran out of RAM once (and that was because of a bug in a ML program I was developing). I find it very hard to believe that you experience any swapping at all with 32gb, much less "lots".

kjs3 7y ago
You said yourself you managed to find a case where you ran out of memory. Why do you find it "very hard to believe", knowing nothing about his use cases, that his job doesn't involve exactly the sort of situations that consume vast amounts of RAM. Why do people insist with such conviction that "it doesn't happen to me, therefore it's inconceivable that it happens to someone else, doing something totally different than what I'm doing, into which I have no insight". Baffling.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  > Why do you find it "very hard to believe", knowing nothing about his use cases, that his job doesn't involve exactly the sort of situations that consume vast amounts of RAM. Probably the GGP said they experience lag while "doing simple things like reading an email." Now, maybe GGP meant to add "while I'm sequencing genes in the background", but since that was left out I can see how it would be confusing! :)
  - kjs3 7y ago
    That's fair. Good point.
userbinator 7y ago
You've likely not experienced the amazing monstrosity that is Microsoft Teams: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/teams-hogging-memory-running-slowly/3a5ddd1a-e4b0-41be-881d-c0d46b9abe23 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/teams... There's a screenshot in there showing it taking 22GB of RAM. I've personally never seen it go that high, but the 10-12GB of RAM that I have seen is absolutely ludicrous for a chat app. Even when it's initially started it takes over 600MB. Combine that with a few VMs that also need a few GB of RAM each, as well as another equally-bloated Electron app or two, and you can quickly get into the swapping zone.
- smabie 7y ago
  How is that possible, 22GB? Fucking electron. You would think, at least, that Microsoft would code a fucking real desktop app.. I hate web browsers.
- syockit 7y ago
  I also experience the same thing with Mattermost (the client also being an Electron app). The memory bloat usually comes from switching back and forth from so many channels, scrolling up to load more chat history, and lots and lots of image attachments (and of course, the emoticons).
  - userbinator 7y ago
    scrolling up to load more chat history, and lots and lots of image attachments (and of course, the emoticons). I remember comfortably browsing webpages with lots of large images and animated GIFs in the early 2000s, with a fraction of the computing power I have today. Something has become seriously inefficient with browser-based apps.

by smabie 7y ago

kjs3 7y ago

You said yourself you managed to find a case where you ran out of memory. Why do you find it "very hard to believe", knowing nothing about his use cases, that his job doesn't involve exactly the sort of situations that consume vast amounts of RAM. Why do people insist with such conviction that "it doesn't happen to me, therefore it's inconceivable that it happens to someone else, doing something totally different than what I'm doing, into which I have no insight". Baffling.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
> Why do you find it "very hard to believe", knowing nothing about his use cases, that his job doesn't involve exactly the sort of situations that consume vast amounts of RAM. Probably the GGP said they experience lag while "doing simple things like reading an email." Now, maybe GGP meant to add "while I'm sequencing genes in the background", but since that was left out I can see how it would be confusing! :)
- kjs3 7y ago
  That's fair. Good point.

userbinator 7y ago

You've likely not experienced the amazing monstrosity that is Microsoft Teams: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/teams-hogging-memory-running-slowly/3a5ddd1a-e4b0-41be-881d-c0d46b9abe23 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/teams... There's a screenshot in there showing it taking 22GB of RAM. I've personally never seen it go that high, but the 10-12GB of RAM that I have seen is absolutely ludicrous for a chat app. Even when it's initially started it takes over 600MB. Combine that with a few VMs that also need a few GB of RAM each, as well as another equally-bloated Electron app or two, and you can quickly get into the swapping zone.

smabie 7y ago
How is that possible, 22GB? Fucking electron. You would think, at least, that Microsoft would code a fucking real desktop app.. I hate web browsers.
syockit 7y ago
I also experience the same thing with Mattermost (the client also being an Electron app). The memory bloat usually comes from switching back and forth from so many channels, scrolling up to load more chat history, and lots and lots of image attachments (and of course, the emoticons).
- userbinator 7y ago
  scrolling up to load more chat history, and lots and lots of image attachments (and of course, the emoticons). I remember comfortably browsing webpages with lots of large images and animated GIFs in the early 2000s, with a fraction of the computing power I have today. Something has become seriously inefficient with browser-based apps.