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> "we're in this current shit together, all of us." So are you saying that we do not have to pay rent either?

henrikschroder 7y ago
... No, that's the complete opposite of what I'm saying. Keep paying rent if you can pay rent. But I understand that it's extremely difficult for some people to accept a solution that's unfair for some individuals, even though it's the solution with the least amount of total negatives. As collective solutions tend to be.
- donclark 7y ago
  > "Keep paying rent if you can pay rent." How in the hell is anyone going to know if retailers or people can actually afford to pay rent?
  - henrikschroder 7y ago
    You ask them. If they say no, then they can't pay rent. "OMG everyone is going to totally take advantage of this!" Not everyone, but yes, plenty of people and business will. "OMG that's unfair." Yes, I acknowledged that from the start. The whole point of my argument is that this might still be preferable to the alternative, it might still be better than sticking to what's 100% fair, because collectively we might emerge stronger from this crisis if struggling businesses are afforded leniency, while the rest of us keep paying our bills on time. But thank you for perfectly illustrating my sidenote on how this way of thinking is completely alien to many Americans.
    - donclark 7y ago
      What is this? Another one of your multi-player games?
    - bawolff 7y ago
      Ok. Im a (small) landlord. None of my tennants claim to be able to pay rent. How am I buying groceries this month?
      - pinkfoot 7y ago
        I cannot speak for others, but we played open cards - showed each other our company and family finances. We have come to a compromise that keeps both parties fed.
      - samsonradu 7y ago
        I don't mean to be rude but relying on collecting month-by-month rent from your tenantS to buy your groceries seems like poor financial management. You've bought an asset which is not returning as expected for the time being, but has for the past n years. What do you expect now, a bailout?
        leetcrew 7y ago
        not all landlords are rich and/or have rent as their entire income in normal times. my friend is a "landlord", in the sense that she rents out the spare room in her house to help pay the mortgage. now her entire industry is shut down and her tenant isn't getting paid either. no matter how responsibly they manage their finances, most people can't handle suddenly having multiple sources of cashflow go to zero.
        samsonradu 7y ago
        They can always sell their property and rent for a while to weather the storm. Relative to the tenant, at least they have something to sell.
        bawolff 7y ago
        Ah yes, because there are so many people in the market to buy rental properties in a giant economic downturn. Nevermind the reason you are selling is because its impossible to rent out.
  - 6510 7y ago
    They will call the bluff and stop paying. Mass evictions probably wont be tolerated.
    - WWLink 7y ago
      Having acted as a landlord before, and having rented before, the only thing either party can really do is ask nicely and hope for the best. On either side of the table, I'd hope for the fastest return to an ideal situation. Luckily my company is doing fine, and I can work from home, so my income is still stable. Hopefully that makes it easier for the guy I'm paying rent to, to be easier on his other tenants that can't afford to pay. It's one of those "I might need it myself someday" kinda things.

... No, that's the complete opposite of what I'm saying. Keep paying rent if you can pay rent. But I understand that it's extremely difficult for some people to accept a solution that's unfair for some individuals, even though it's the solution with the least amount of total negatives. As collective solutions tend to be.

donclark 7y ago
> "Keep paying rent if you can pay rent." How in the hell is anyone going to know if retailers or people can actually afford to pay rent?
- henrikschroder 7y ago
  You ask them. If they say no, then they can't pay rent. "OMG everyone is going to totally take advantage of this!" Not everyone, but yes, plenty of people and business will. "OMG that's unfair." Yes, I acknowledged that from the start. The whole point of my argument is that this might still be preferable to the alternative, it might still be better than sticking to what's 100% fair, because collectively we might emerge stronger from this crisis if struggling businesses are afforded leniency, while the rest of us keep paying our bills on time. But thank you for perfectly illustrating my sidenote on how this way of thinking is completely alien to many Americans.
  - donclark 7y ago
    What is this? Another one of your multi-player games?
  - bawolff 7y ago
    Ok. Im a (small) landlord. None of my tennants claim to be able to pay rent. How am I buying groceries this month?
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      I cannot speak for others, but we played open cards - showed each other our company and family finances. We have come to a compromise that keeps both parties fed.
    - samsonradu 7y ago
      I don't mean to be rude but relying on collecting month-by-month rent from your tenantS to buy your groceries seems like poor financial management. You've bought an asset which is not returning as expected for the time being, but has for the past n years. What do you expect now, a bailout?
      - leetcrew 7y ago
        not all landlords are rich and/or have rent as their entire income in normal times. my friend is a "landlord", in the sense that she rents out the spare room in her house to help pay the mortgage. now her entire industry is shut down and her tenant isn't getting paid either. no matter how responsibly they manage their finances, most people can't handle suddenly having multiple sources of cashflow go to zero.
        samsonradu 7y ago
        They can always sell their property and rent for a while to weather the storm. Relative to the tenant, at least they have something to sell.
        bawolff 7y ago
        Ah yes, because there are so many people in the market to buy rental properties in a giant economic downturn. Nevermind the reason you are selling is because its impossible to rent out.
- 6510 7y ago
  They will call the bluff and stop paying. Mass evictions probably wont be tolerated.
  - WWLink 7y ago
    Having acted as a landlord before, and having rented before, the only thing either party can really do is ask nicely and hope for the best. On either side of the table, I'd hope for the fastest return to an ideal situation. Luckily my company is doing fine, and I can work from home, so my income is still stable. Hopefully that makes it easier for the guy I'm paying rent to, to be easier on his other tenants that can't afford to pay. It's one of those "I might need it myself someday" kinda things.