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This is awesome. MDs in American and Europe should turn their social media attention to MDs in S. Korea and China... get frontline tips from them. As for PMG,

This is awesome. MDs in American and Europe should turn their social media attention to MDs in S. Korea and China... get frontline tips from them. As for PMG, I love it. My wife is an MD and she is on it all the time. Real valuable information there.

nixpulvis 7y ago
As long as you listen to the right people, as in the physical world.
- charlesism 7y ago
  This would be easier if the internet were optimized around enlightenment values (for lack of a better phrase) instead of the values of a tabloid newspaper.
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soperj 7y ago
the front line is Europe and America now.
briandear 7y ago
Didn’t Chinese doctors who tried to accurately share about this virus get silenced by the Chinese government? And the Chinese have a pretty bad track record when it comes to actual international cooperation on virus outbreaks in general [1], a tradition that goes back to at least SARS. And the other problem is that the Chinese have a pretty bad track record when it comes to not lying. The Chinese government has blood on their hands and trusting any “tips” from China-based doctors would be foolish given how they have routinely lied and obfuscated since the very beginning of this [2] — even stating information they knew to be false, specifically that there was no human-to-human transmission. If I am incorrect, I would welcome a correction, however the Chinese handling of this has led to thousands dead and economies devastated. Plenty of people are mad at Trump, because Trump, but the real international outrage should be directed at the Chinese and any “frontline tips” from the Chinese should be treated as suspicious. They did, after all withhold the genome of this virus for over a week — lying about when they actually sequenced it. They lied about human to human transmission when they had overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They had the Ministry of State Security detain and harass doctors who not only weren’t going to the broader public, but were simply sharing information among themselves. Thinking that any information you’d get from a Chinese doctor on social media would be reliable is beyond foolish. [1] https://www.livescience.com/63448-china-h7n9-flu-samples-pandemic-prevention.html https://www.livescience.com/63448-china-h7n9-flu-samples-pan... [2] https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/ https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devas...
- nl 7y ago
  The regional government tried to shut down the news. That's inexcusable, but they are hardly alone on this. Looking at your own reference from (the incredibly anti-China) National Review it was only Dec 25 that hospitals started taking it seriously (ie, they quarantined staff) and Dr. Wenliang sent a text about it on Dec 31 to colleages. China notified the WHO on the same day (Dec 31), and gave infection numbers on Jan 3[1]. As someone who spends quite a lot of time trying to track down data in Australia I'd say 2 day turn around on the data isn't too bad. I think people who want to blame China for this will, no matter what. I'd note that news on infectious diseases that didn't originate in China often took even longer to be widely known (eg MERS, Ebola outbreak, Zika outbreak) [1] https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/ https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unk...
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    > The regional government tried to shut down the news. That's inexcusable, but they are hardly alone on this. Indeed - an Austrian ski resort is under investigation for deliberately hiding the extent of the infection as recently as February. Its human nature. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/24/criminal-investigation-austria-ski-resort-hundreds-infected/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/24/criminal-investi...
    - _iyig 7y ago
      An Austrian ski resort is not the state, and does not have unlimited powers of censorship and arrest like China's one-party government.
      - pinkfoot 7y ago
        You managed to miss the entire point.
        _iyig 7y ago
        I don't think I did. Please re-read the HN guidelines on comment etiquette, and then explain what you think I missed. To expand on my own comment: when a private business (a ski resort, for example) decides to cover up the outbreak of a disease in a more-free country like Taiwan or the U.S., there are ways for the rest of society to route around this. When it's the government engaging in this cover-up, especially an authoritarian government with near-total information control, it's much harder to route around that kind of information suppression.
XuMiao 7y ago
https://promo.guahao.com/en/global/pneumonia/?_cp=yhcbz0315 https://promo.guahao.com/en/global/pneumonia/?_cp=yhcbz0315 It seems that a lot of Chinese doctors volunteer to consult on this coronavirus. Not sure whether they are helpful or not.

nixpulvis 7y ago

As long as you listen to the right people, as in the physical world.

charlesism 7y ago
This would be easier if the internet were optimized around enlightenment values (for lack of a better phrase) instead of the values of a tabloid newspaper.
- deleted 7y ago
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soperj 7y ago

the front line is Europe and America now.

briandear 7y ago

Didn’t Chinese doctors who tried to accurately share about this virus get silenced by the Chinese government? And the Chinese have a pretty bad track record when it comes to actual international cooperation on virus outbreaks in general [1], a tradition that goes back to at least SARS. And the other problem is that the Chinese have a pretty bad track record when it comes to not lying. The Chinese government has blood on their hands and trusting any “tips” from China-based doctors would be foolish given how they have routinely lied and obfuscated since the very beginning of this [2] — even stating information they knew to be false, specifically that there was no human-to-human transmission. If I am incorrect, I would welcome a correction, however the Chinese handling of this has led to thousands dead and economies devastated. Plenty of people are mad at Trump, because Trump, but the real international outrage should be directed at the Chinese and any “frontline tips” from the Chinese should be treated as suspicious. They did, after all withhold the genome of this virus for over a week — lying about when they actually sequenced it. They lied about human to human transmission when they had overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They had the Ministry of State Security detain and harass doctors who not only weren’t going to the broader public, but were simply sharing information among themselves. Thinking that any information you’d get from a Chinese doctor on social media would be reliable is beyond foolish. [1] https://www.livescience.com/63448-china-h7n9-flu-samples-pandemic-prevention.html https://www.livescience.com/63448-china-h7n9-flu-samples-pan... [2] https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/ https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devas...

nl 7y ago
The regional government tried to shut down the news. That's inexcusable, but they are hardly alone on this. Looking at your own reference from (the incredibly anti-China) National Review it was only Dec 25 that hospitals started taking it seriously (ie, they quarantined staff) and Dr. Wenliang sent a text about it on Dec 31 to colleages. China notified the WHO on the same day (Dec 31), and gave infection numbers on Jan 3[1]. As someone who spends quite a lot of time trying to track down data in Australia I'd say 2 day turn around on the data isn't too bad. I think people who want to blame China for this will, no matter what. I'd note that news on infectious diseases that didn't originate in China often took even longer to be widely known (eg MERS, Ebola outbreak, Zika outbreak) [1] https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/ https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unk...
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  > The regional government tried to shut down the news. That's inexcusable, but they are hardly alone on this. Indeed - an Austrian ski resort is under investigation for deliberately hiding the extent of the infection as recently as February. Its human nature. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/24/criminal-investigation-austria-ski-resort-hundreds-infected/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/24/criminal-investi...
  - _iyig 7y ago
    An Austrian ski resort is not the state, and does not have unlimited powers of censorship and arrest like China's one-party government.
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      You managed to miss the entire point.
      - _iyig 7y ago
        I don't think I did. Please re-read the HN guidelines on comment etiquette, and then explain what you think I missed. To expand on my own comment: when a private business (a ski resort, for example) decides to cover up the outbreak of a disease in a more-free country like Taiwan or the U.S., there are ways for the rest of society to route around this. When it's the government engaging in this cover-up, especially an authoritarian government with near-total information control, it's much harder to route around that kind of information suppression.

XuMiao 7y ago

https://promo.guahao.com/en/global/pneumonia/?_cp=yhcbz0315 https://promo.guahao.com/en/global/pneumonia/?_cp=yhcbz0315 It seems that a lot of Chinese doctors volunteer to consult on this coronavirus. Not sure whether they are helpful or not.