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Would it be safer for people who has recovered to volunteer?

capableweb 7y ago
Don't quote me on this and I don't have a peer-reviewed paper as source, but as far as I know, people can get reinfected after being infected once.
- y-c-o-m-b 7y ago
  We don't know that yet, but so far that seems unlikely. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/819038431/do-you-get-immunity-after-recovering-from-a-case-of-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/8190384... https://www.genengnews.com/news/covid-19-reinfection-not-a-concern-monkey-study-suggests/ https://www.genengnews.com/news/covid-19-reinfection-not-a-c...
- mistermann 7y ago
  At the time of me writing this comment, yours is light grey (due to downvotes I presume - is there any other possible cause?). A statement that includes explicit acknowledgement of uncertainty should not be downvoted (unless there is another reason contained within), full stop. If this was /r/politics, fine, but it isn't. This is causing harm to society that we have very little means of seeing (at least not without an investment of significant effort and time, something most people tend to avoid whenever possible). I have deliberately not included acknowledgement of uncertainty, for two reasons.
  - kazinator 7y ago
    In HN, insubstantial comments are downvoted, irrespective of politeness or reasonable disclaimers. For instance, say, "I fully acknowledge that this is just bunk told in jest to small children, but perhaps the Moon could really be made of Roquefort cheese." is not a HN-worthy comment.
    - mistermann 7y ago
      > In HN, insubstantial comments are downvoted, irrespective of politeness or reasonable disclaimers. That is undoubtedly true. It may even be consistent with official site guidelines (which I don't think make any claim to be perfect - "perfect is the opposite of good" as they say). Might this also be true: "In HN, comments are sometimes downvoted, irrespective of whether the comment is insubstantial, off-topic, or incorrect. The reasons behind this are incredibly complex."
- fuckknows 7y ago
  This is misinformation, immunity works like it does for everything else. The virus is new to us, not magic.
  - kazinator 7y ago
    Viruses can mutate, changing their protein coating so as not to be recognized by your immune system. Why do you think the common cold has not gone away, or why new flu shots are needed every season? We simply do not know what this virus will do. The Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 came in waves, and they were different.
    - russholmes 7y ago
      Immunity to coronaviruses does tend to fall within a year or so, but this is believed due to immune memory rather than viral mutation (coronaviruses have a modest mutation rate). This is a different mechanism than influenza. Subsequent reinfections are believed to be mild. A vaccine would provoke a longer immune memory by way of an adjuvant. Discussion of this in the TWIV podcast: http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-591/ http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-591/
  - capableweb 7y ago
    Interesting. Is it misinformation if presented with the explicit disclaimer that I'm not sure about it and people should research themselves? I always understood misinformation as purposefully wrong and malicious information. Worst case scenario (of people acting on my previous comment), people believe they can be reinfected and would practice further physical distancing. That does not seem malicious, but hey, I might be wrong.
    - beart 7y ago
      Yes I think it is misinformation. It doesn't matter how much you hedge what you are saying, because the implication of you saying it means that you believe it. Think about it this way, if your mother was concerned and you said, "Don't quote me on this, but as far as I know, you can be infected twice", you can bet your ass she would believe you.
jablala 7y ago
Anyone disputing this comment has covid, pass it on.
- OldFatCactus 7y ago
  Source?
- beart 7y ago
  What source do you have that confirms this? Everything I've read says it is not yet determined if this is the case.
  - Kunigaikstis 7y ago
    I believe you can get reinfected with a different strain of the same virus. Not the one you initially got infected with though.
    - lucb1e 7y ago
      > I believe Okay, but the person you're replying to was asking > What source do you have that confirms this?
    - alkonaut 7y ago
      The simple explainer is that almost all viruses give immunity so there is no reason to fear this one doesn’t. The immunity might last a month or a year. Or two weeks or ten years. That we don’t know.
- spyspy 7y ago
  That has not been proven or disproven at this point.
thomasedwards 7y ago
Not all the jobs are contact, some are delivering medicine or telephoning. Everyone can help in some way.
Reason077 7y ago
There isn’t yet a test to say with certainty if you’ve had Covid-19. (EDIT: its coming, but isn’t available yet) I’m fairly sure I had it, but can’t be 100% certain until the test for antibodies is available.
- dharma1 7y ago
  There are antibody tests. The UK just ordered 3.5 million of them https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/uk-buys-3500000-antibody-test-fight-coronavirus-12450702/ https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/uk-buys-3500000-antibody-test...
  - Reason077 7y ago
    Right, but they’re not available yet.
    - dharma1 7y ago
      They are, there are dozens of suppliers. I don't know how quickly we will get all the 3.5m tests but in smaller quantities they are available now
      - deleted 7y ago
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- thisone 7y ago
  there is a test, or at least I hope so because the UK has announced we've bought 3.5M of them https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51943612 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51943612
- christkv 7y ago
  I'm in the same boat and would like to know so I can volunteer. Even just taking vitals at a hospital, cleaning or transporting things. If I'm immune I would like to provide some firewall to other people, especially vulnerable. I think we have to wait at least 2-3 weeks before we can see any in Spain.
avip 7y ago
Delivering food basket to a neighbour doorstep with gloves on seems safe.

Don't quote me on this and I don't have a peer-reviewed paper as source, but as far as I know, people can get reinfected after being infected once.

y-c-o-m-b 7y ago
We don't know that yet, but so far that seems unlikely. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/819038431/do-you-get-immunity-after-recovering-from-a-case-of-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/8190384... https://www.genengnews.com/news/covid-19-reinfection-not-a-concern-monkey-study-suggests/ https://www.genengnews.com/news/covid-19-reinfection-not-a-c...
mistermann 7y ago
At the time of me writing this comment, yours is light grey (due to downvotes I presume - is there any other possible cause?). A statement that includes explicit acknowledgement of uncertainty should not be downvoted (unless there is another reason contained within), full stop. If this was /r/politics, fine, but it isn't. This is causing harm to society that we have very little means of seeing (at least not without an investment of significant effort and time, something most people tend to avoid whenever possible). I have deliberately not included acknowledgement of uncertainty, for two reasons.
- kazinator 7y ago
  In HN, insubstantial comments are downvoted, irrespective of politeness or reasonable disclaimers. For instance, say, "I fully acknowledge that this is just bunk told in jest to small children, but perhaps the Moon could really be made of Roquefort cheese." is not a HN-worthy comment.
  - mistermann 7y ago
    > In HN, insubstantial comments are downvoted, irrespective of politeness or reasonable disclaimers. That is undoubtedly true. It may even be consistent with official site guidelines (which I don't think make any claim to be perfect - "perfect is the opposite of good" as they say). Might this also be true: "In HN, comments are sometimes downvoted, irrespective of whether the comment is insubstantial, off-topic, or incorrect. The reasons behind this are incredibly complex."
fuckknows 7y ago
This is misinformation, immunity works like it does for everything else. The virus is new to us, not magic.
- kazinator 7y ago
  Viruses can mutate, changing their protein coating so as not to be recognized by your immune system. Why do you think the common cold has not gone away, or why new flu shots are needed every season? We simply do not know what this virus will do. The Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 came in waves, and they were different.
  - russholmes 7y ago
    Immunity to coronaviruses does tend to fall within a year or so, but this is believed due to immune memory rather than viral mutation (coronaviruses have a modest mutation rate). This is a different mechanism than influenza. Subsequent reinfections are believed to be mild. A vaccine would provoke a longer immune memory by way of an adjuvant. Discussion of this in the TWIV podcast: http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-591/ http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-591/
- capableweb 7y ago
  Interesting. Is it misinformation if presented with the explicit disclaimer that I'm not sure about it and people should research themselves? I always understood misinformation as purposefully wrong and malicious information. Worst case scenario (of people acting on my previous comment), people believe they can be reinfected and would practice further physical distancing. That does not seem malicious, but hey, I might be wrong.
  - beart 7y ago
    Yes I think it is misinformation. It doesn't matter how much you hedge what you are saying, because the implication of you saying it means that you believe it. Think about it this way, if your mother was concerned and you said, "Don't quote me on this, but as far as I know, you can be infected twice", you can bet your ass she would believe you.

jablala 7y ago

Anyone disputing this comment has covid, pass it on.

OldFatCactus 7y ago
Source?
beart 7y ago
What source do you have that confirms this? Everything I've read says it is not yet determined if this is the case.
- Kunigaikstis 7y ago
  I believe you can get reinfected with a different strain of the same virus. Not the one you initially got infected with though.
  - lucb1e 7y ago
    > I believe Okay, but the person you're replying to was asking > What source do you have that confirms this?
  - alkonaut 7y ago
    The simple explainer is that almost all viruses give immunity so there is no reason to fear this one doesn’t. The immunity might last a month or a year. Or two weeks or ten years. That we don’t know.
spyspy 7y ago
That has not been proven or disproven at this point.

thomasedwards 7y ago

Not all the jobs are contact, some are delivering medicine or telephoning. Everyone can help in some way.

Reason077 7y ago

There isn’t yet a test to say with certainty if you’ve had Covid-19. (EDIT: its coming, but isn’t available yet) I’m fairly sure I had it, but can’t be 100% certain until the test for antibodies is available.

dharma1 7y ago
There are antibody tests. The UK just ordered 3.5 million of them https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/uk-buys-3500000-antibody-test-fight-coronavirus-12450702/ https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/uk-buys-3500000-antibody-test...
- Reason077 7y ago
  Right, but they’re not available yet.
  - dharma1 7y ago
    They are, there are dozens of suppliers. I don't know how quickly we will get all the 3.5m tests but in smaller quantities they are available now
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
thisone 7y ago
there is a test, or at least I hope so because the UK has announced we've bought 3.5M of them https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51943612 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51943612
christkv 7y ago
I'm in the same boat and would like to know so I can volunteer. Even just taking vitals at a hospital, cleaning or transporting things. If I'm immune I would like to provide some firewall to other people, especially vulnerable. I think we have to wait at least 2-3 weeks before we can see any in Spain.

avip 7y ago

Delivering food basket to a neighbour doorstep with gloves on seems safe.