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Until we have different data, this is the data we have. I agree that the rate of increase in confirmed cases probably indicates rate of improvement in testing.

Until we have different data, this is the data we have. I agree that the rate of increase in confirmed cases probably indicates rate of improvement in testing. But we simply don't know that. You cannot make public health decisions based on hope, assumptions or guesses. You can make public health decisions only based on data, and data indicates we haven't peaked yet. In this case, it's devastating that people in power position have guts to say we can continue business as usual in 15 days.

m0zg 7y ago
> make public health decisions based on hope, assumptions or guesses In the absence of data, which you've acknowledged, that's exactly how decisions are being made now, worldwide. > even 15 weeks would be too early Not if you want to avoid starvation and riots. It's not like there's some magical grocery fairy or "the government" putting stuff on the shelves. People have to work to put stuff there.
- gnulinux 7y ago
  > Not if you want to avoid starvation and riots. It's not like there's some magical grocery fairy or "the government" putting stuff on the shelves. People have to work to put stuff there. The proposal has never been complete shut down, this is a cheap strawman argument. I support what CA and NY is doing currently. My state MA issued a similar shelter-in-place order yesterday but the definition of "essential" business is so inclusive that my random software startup qualifies for "essential" business (even though we're all WFH). What needs to be done is picking businesses that are required for the society to function. This includes markets, logistics (UPS, USPS, FedEx etc), hospitals etc. And every other business need to be shut down on gun point. > In the absence of data It seems like you misread my comment. There is no absence of data. The data indicates that NY alone is expected to surpass Italy level outbreak in a week. I said there is no data to support the sudden increase in cases is tied to testing. I agree that that's possible, but we have no evidence. So we should act like this is spreading like wildfire, today.

m0zg 7y ago

> make public health decisions based on hope, assumptions or guesses In the absence of data, which you've acknowledged, that's exactly how decisions are being made now, worldwide. > even 15 weeks would be too early Not if you want to avoid starvation and riots. It's not like there's some magical grocery fairy or "the government" putting stuff on the shelves. People have to work to put stuff there.

gnulinux 7y ago
> Not if you want to avoid starvation and riots. It's not like there's some magical grocery fairy or "the government" putting stuff on the shelves. People have to work to put stuff there. The proposal has never been complete shut down, this is a cheap strawman argument. I support what CA and NY is doing currently. My state MA issued a similar shelter-in-place order yesterday but the definition of "essential" business is so inclusive that my random software startup qualifies for "essential" business (even though we're all WFH). What needs to be done is picking businesses that are required for the society to function. This includes markets, logistics (UPS, USPS, FedEx etc), hospitals etc. And every other business need to be shut down on gun point. > In the absence of data It seems like you misread my comment. There is no absence of data. The data indicates that NY alone is expected to surpass Italy level outbreak in a week. I said there is no data to support the sudden increase in cases is tied to testing. I agree that that's possible, but we have no evidence. So we should act like this is spreading like wildfire, today.