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Canada has demographics comparable to the US's, but pays its teachers much more. The results are evident in OECD's "Programme for International Student Assessme

by leot 16y ago

Canada has demographics comparable to the US's, but pays its teachers much more. The results are evident in OECD's "Programme for International Student Assessment" (PISA) http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/34/60/46619703.pdf http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/34/60/46619703.pdf A rewarding job with decent compensation and time off makes teaching jobs pretty competitive.

jacoblyles 16y ago
Do you have any statistics that compare the teacher pay of the US and Canada? The US spends more on education per pupil than almost every country in the world (some years I believe it is number one). I would be shocked if the US didn't pay more than Canada, on average.
- warrenwilkinson 16y ago
  According to this Cato report. Since the 1970s the US doubled spending per child. Scores did not improve but they doubled the number of school bureaucrats (e.g. not teachers) per student. http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12792 http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12792
- angus77 16y ago
  It might not be so helpful to compare salaries alone (although I've heard they're actually higher in Canada, but don't have hard statistics). Remember , Canadians do have to pay for health insurance, so even if they have smaller salaries, they could still end up with more disposable income.
  - angus77 16y ago
    AAARGH! Of course, I meant DON'T have to pay for health insurance.
m-photonic 16y ago
>Canada has demographics comparable to the US's I suppose so, if you aren't including race in your demographic profile. That happens to be an area where the US and Canada diverge significantly.
- guelo 16y ago
  Really, all problems in the US come down to this, racists that dont want there tax money going to help black people.
  - reeses 16y ago
    It's not just black people, although that's the majority where I live (Oakland, California). In most states that border mexico or western states with large agricultural economies, it tends to be hispanics. Among those hispanics are a lot of first generation kids ("anchor kids" in many cases) whose parents don't speak english at home. Never mind that the US doesn't have an official language; a lot of people are offended if their tax dollars go to people who don't "learn our language!"
    - yummyfajitas 16y ago
      I don't see how it is unreasonable to expect immigrants to adapt themselves to the country they voluntarily choose to enter. I'm contemplating a move to Pune - if I go, I certainly wouldn't expect the Indian taxpayer to pay for me to learn Hindi. Adopting yourself to the local culture/conventions/language/etc is your job - if you can't handle it, stay home.
      - reeses 16y ago
        I wouldn't expect them to pay for you to learn Hindi either. However, Marathi might get you further in Pune, especially with the locals, as it's the official language of the region.
  - kenjackson 16y ago
    Unfortunately, if you take this rather pessimistic position, things do line up rather nicely. It even explains why some groups seem to vote against their own best interest. Yet it's the big discussion that is generally off the table. Rather things are framed as big vs small gov't, yet there are a lot of inconsistencies in that argument. These inconsistencies disappear when you frame it as racists vs bleeding heart liberals.

by leot 16y ago

jacoblyles 16y ago

Do you have any statistics that compare the teacher pay of the US and Canada? The US spends more on education per pupil than almost every country in the world (some years I believe it is number one). I would be shocked if the US didn't pay more than Canada, on average.

warrenwilkinson 16y ago
According to this Cato report. Since the 1970s the US doubled spending per child. Scores did not improve but they doubled the number of school bureaucrats (e.g. not teachers) per student. http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12792 http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12792
angus77 16y ago
It might not be so helpful to compare salaries alone (although I've heard they're actually higher in Canada, but don't have hard statistics). Remember , Canadians do have to pay for health insurance, so even if they have smaller salaries, they could still end up with more disposable income.
- angus77 16y ago
  AAARGH! Of course, I meant DON'T have to pay for health insurance.

m-photonic 16y ago

>Canada has demographics comparable to the US's I suppose so, if you aren't including race in your demographic profile. That happens to be an area where the US and Canada diverge significantly.

guelo 16y ago
Really, all problems in the US come down to this, racists that dont want there tax money going to help black people.
- reeses 16y ago
  It's not just black people, although that's the majority where I live (Oakland, California). In most states that border mexico or western states with large agricultural economies, it tends to be hispanics. Among those hispanics are a lot of first generation kids ("anchor kids" in many cases) whose parents don't speak english at home. Never mind that the US doesn't have an official language; a lot of people are offended if their tax dollars go to people who don't "learn our language!"
  - yummyfajitas 16y ago
    I don't see how it is unreasonable to expect immigrants to adapt themselves to the country they voluntarily choose to enter. I'm contemplating a move to Pune - if I go, I certainly wouldn't expect the Indian taxpayer to pay for me to learn Hindi. Adopting yourself to the local culture/conventions/language/etc is your job - if you can't handle it, stay home.
    - reeses 16y ago
      I wouldn't expect them to pay for you to learn Hindi either. However, Marathi might get you further in Pune, especially with the locals, as it's the official language of the region.
- kenjackson 16y ago
  Unfortunately, if you take this rather pessimistic position, things do line up rather nicely. It even explains why some groups seem to vote against their own best interest. Yet it's the big discussion that is generally off the table. Rather things are framed as big vs small gov't, yet there are a lot of inconsistencies in that argument. These inconsistencies disappear when you frame it as racists vs bleeding heart liberals.