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In general, though the government and police in India are acting with too blunt a force in this issue. Like UK PM mentioned even the need for going out of doors

In general, though the government and police in India are acting with too blunt a force in this issue. Like UK PM mentioned even the need for going out of doors once per day for exercise, Indian PM says don't go out at all, which isn't practicable at all, since virtually all home delivery systems have been shut down (effectively, that is on paper essential services are to continue, but there is not enough framework done for that in many parts of the country, occasions where even the cops arrested the delivery people for curfew violation, and even more incidents where they were beat up). Similary some states only allowing trucks with essential commodities to enter and exit. Now trucks coming with vegetables etc, often has to go back empty, but state not allowing entry/exit of empty trucks, likewise myriad issues of logistics are needed to be resolved.

quantummkv 7y ago
> In general though the government and police in India are acting with too blunt a force in this issue. Given that the only other option is to pile the hospitals with dead bodies, force short of killings should be used.
- billfruit 7y ago
  I don't see even in China, resorting to police violence in such condition.
  - quantummkv 7y ago
    Mostly because the people in China know that violence would happen as the government reminds the people from time to time. So they keep quite and obey. Since India doesn't do this regularly, they have to give a crash course to people who think that the law won't touch them
    - billfruit 7y ago
      In reality though the law can't really touch them. I think the fines are quite small amounts like 4$ dollars for violating containment etc, and its bailable too, so legally police don't have a strong imperative to do anything much except chalk a fine. That too could be challenged, I doubt if all those quarantined, isolated etc in India has been given formal quarantine orders, considering the chaos at airports. And additionally at this juncture government wouldn't want to overcrowd the prisons at this point of time.
      - threwa55467 7y ago
        Containment is technically restricted to passengers who arrived in India after 2/15. There is no such restriction for the rest of the population... Of course, with India, there is the legal theory and its 'practice'. I imagine the police will make a killing with all the bribes in the coming weeks.
  - allover 7y ago
    Are you in China? Could you explain/give context to the violence shown here: https://twitter.com/AF632/status/1238704923417575424 https://twitter.com/AF632/status/1238704923417575424
    - mafuy 7y ago
      Honestly? Unless I missed something, that's a totally OK level of force. They did not hit, beat, trample or otherwise assault that guy. They were rough, but not violent. As rough as required to get him out. I'm sure he was bruised, that's part of resisting. But no, I see no violence there. I say this as someone who is European and politically left-wing (i.e. against government authority).
      - allover 7y ago
        Context matters - we're not talking about making arrests here.
codeisawesome 7y ago
Home delivery systems have been shut down??
- smdz 7y ago
  Good question. Who will deliver? And drones or drone delivery is mostly banned in India
- kburman 7y ago
  Not yet. Aleast in Pune.
- teatree 7y ago
  No - Swiggy, Zomato, Amazon, Flipkart, Grofers, Medlife, 1Mg, PharmEasy and many more are functional, but at decreased capacity. These services cater only to major cities though. The govt is looking to keep supply lines of essentials open even in villages and remote towns.
giardini 7y ago
billfruit says> "In general though the government and police in India are acting with too blunt a force in this issue." That is OK. After a few days police and government staff will begin to fall ill as a consequence of their actions. They will, as a group, realize how foolish it is to constantly interdict people. Police interdiction numbers will be reduced due to both illness and to "street smarts".
teatree 7y ago
I am not happy with the way this govt has handled the economy and this pandemic, but I support the PM in this decision and the police in their violent enforcement today. People are being too callous. They are going about the city as though everything is normal. Some are celebrating religious festivals, some are going out on vacations and 'long drives'. We are poor country with 4x the US population, packed so tightly even 7Zip would be put to shame. We don't have money or medical infrastructure to fight this at later stages. FYI - Essential supplies are being kept open, govt services are being kept open, food delivery is being kept open. Free groceries (rice, dal etc)are being given to people who need it. I pray that our country survives this without too many deaths, even as an atheist, because that's the only thing I can do now.
- amartya916 7y ago
  Thank you for a well reasoned and measured take on this situation. My parents (in their 60s and 70s, living in India) made mention of the callous attitude you refer to as well. Culturally and practically (because of population density social distancing will not be effective unless it is implemented strictly/forced upon people. Forced isolation/curfew is a hard thing for people with different cultural backgrounds to reconcile with, but is just about the only way to stem this tide in India.
billfruit 7y ago
I think a fisheries have come to standstill and low chances of fish being available further in the markets. Also I wonder how long poultry and eggs remain available.

quantummkv 7y ago

> In general though the government and police in India are acting with too blunt a force in this issue. Given that the only other option is to pile the hospitals with dead bodies, force short of killings should be used.

billfruit 7y ago
I don't see even in China, resorting to police violence in such condition.
- quantummkv 7y ago
  Mostly because the people in China know that violence would happen as the government reminds the people from time to time. So they keep quite and obey. Since India doesn't do this regularly, they have to give a crash course to people who think that the law won't touch them
  - billfruit 7y ago
    In reality though the law can't really touch them. I think the fines are quite small amounts like 4$ dollars for violating containment etc, and its bailable too, so legally police don't have a strong imperative to do anything much except chalk a fine. That too could be challenged, I doubt if all those quarantined, isolated etc in India has been given formal quarantine orders, considering the chaos at airports. And additionally at this juncture government wouldn't want to overcrowd the prisons at this point of time.
    - threwa55467 7y ago
      Containment is technically restricted to passengers who arrived in India after 2/15. There is no such restriction for the rest of the population... Of course, with India, there is the legal theory and its 'practice'. I imagine the police will make a killing with all the bribes in the coming weeks.
- allover 7y ago
  Are you in China? Could you explain/give context to the violence shown here: https://twitter.com/AF632/status/1238704923417575424 https://twitter.com/AF632/status/1238704923417575424
  - mafuy 7y ago
    Honestly? Unless I missed something, that's a totally OK level of force. They did not hit, beat, trample or otherwise assault that guy. They were rough, but not violent. As rough as required to get him out. I'm sure he was bruised, that's part of resisting. But no, I see no violence there. I say this as someone who is European and politically left-wing (i.e. against government authority).
    - allover 7y ago
      Context matters - we're not talking about making arrests here.

codeisawesome 7y ago

Home delivery systems have been shut down??

smdz 7y ago
Good question. Who will deliver? And drones or drone delivery is mostly banned in India
kburman 7y ago
Not yet. Aleast in Pune.
teatree 7y ago
No - Swiggy, Zomato, Amazon, Flipkart, Grofers, Medlife, 1Mg, PharmEasy and many more are functional, but at decreased capacity. These services cater only to major cities though. The govt is looking to keep supply lines of essentials open even in villages and remote towns.

giardini 7y ago

billfruit says> "In general though the government and police in India are acting with too blunt a force in this issue." That is OK. After a few days police and government staff will begin to fall ill as a consequence of their actions. They will, as a group, realize how foolish it is to constantly interdict people. Police interdiction numbers will be reduced due to both illness and to "street smarts".

teatree 7y ago

I am not happy with the way this govt has handled the economy and this pandemic, but I support the PM in this decision and the police in their violent enforcement today. People are being too callous. They are going about the city as though everything is normal. Some are celebrating religious festivals, some are going out on vacations and 'long drives'. We are poor country with 4x the US population, packed so tightly even 7Zip would be put to shame. We don't have money or medical infrastructure to fight this at later stages. FYI - Essential supplies are being kept open, govt services are being kept open, food delivery is being kept open. Free groceries (rice, dal etc)are being given to people who need it. I pray that our country survives this without too many deaths, even as an atheist, because that's the only thing I can do now.

amartya916 7y ago
Thank you for a well reasoned and measured take on this situation. My parents (in their 60s and 70s, living in India) made mention of the callous attitude you refer to as well. Culturally and practically (because of population density social distancing will not be effective unless it is implemented strictly/forced upon people. Forced isolation/curfew is a hard thing for people with different cultural backgrounds to reconcile with, but is just about the only way to stem this tide in India.

billfruit 7y ago

I think a fisheries have come to standstill and low chances of fish being available further in the markets. Also I wonder how long poultry and eggs remain available.