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That's sad but what does "let Japan know that this is not their fault" even mean?

minitoar 7y ago
As a global community we should come to and express the (IMO) correct conclusion that Japan did an amazing (perhaps the best) job of containing this, and it was still the right thing for them to postpone the 2020 olympics.
- jakeinspace 7y ago
  My understanding is that Japan didn't do the best job, although definitely better than the US. Taiwan probably has had the best Coronavirus response.
  - Hamuko 7y ago
    Doesn't Japan have a much higher case fatality rate than the US?
    - jakeinspace 7y ago
      They also have a much older population. Maybe saying that they had a "much better" response than the US is too generous, certainly compared to their neighbors of similar means, Japan has been incredibly slow to act and test.
      - tooltalk 7y ago
        > ... Japan has been incredibly slow to act and test. and it seems the Japanese public is quite angry over Abe's willful neglect to save the Olympics. Now that the Olympics is off the table (ie, postponed), Japan can stop pretending that everything is all sunshine and sunflower.
  - tooltalk 7y ago
    Not sure if Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam had to do much to prevent it in the first place. Their warmer climate seems to have slowed the spread. South Korea's initial response was actually slow -- didn't restrict travel from China like many others did. The president declared a premature victory ("it would be over soon") and donated 2M face masks to China -- only to find the country in masks shortage the very following week. But their innovative testing efficiency (eg, drive-through, booth) and containment strategy set a good example for the world.
- pletsch 7y ago
  They're adults, they can see that the world is dealing with something significantly more important than the Olympics.
- bedhead 7y ago
  Yeah sorry I think we have more important things to do right now.
- deleted 7y ago
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- Legogris 7y ago
  The short answer is, we don't know. There just isn't data to tell. That being said, not that much testing has been made. The culture doesn't promote not downplaying or hiding your symptoms. Past couple of weeks, people have been relaxing. Cherry trees are in full bloom and so are the park gatherings. At the airport there are fingerprint scanners at the passport control - no way to sanitize your hands until after luggage unless you brought hand sanitizer. I could go on. Tokyo's governor just mentioned the possibility of a Europe/China style lockdown: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tokyo-idUSKBN21A18S https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tokyo-... Tokyo just picked up the rate significantly: https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/10900000/000612031.pdf https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/10900000/000612031.pdf CDC just raised Japan's alert rate: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/coronavirus-japan https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/coronavirus-jap... Internally, there are recommendations, and not much more. Bars and clubs are still going. Many offices are business as usual, apart from not demanding everyone in at 8:40 sharp to spread out commutes a bit more. Many of those expect to be able to return to that by April. (Just anecdata, my girlfriend happens to work at one such company) Golden Week is coming up. For those who don't know, generally in Japan people only have around 10 holidays - but on the other hand there are a lot of holidays. It just so happens that in may several of those fall together and it's the one week every year where everyone goes traveling (there is also New Year's which is more focused on family). I am not optimistic.
libria 7y ago
Use Twitter; Japan's PM has an account. > @AbeShinzo, it ain't yer fault bro #tokyo2021 - @thieving_magpie
- Hamuko 7y ago
  @AbeShinzoニキ、お前のせいじゃねぇぞ

As a global community we should come to and express the (IMO) correct conclusion that Japan did an amazing (perhaps the best) job of containing this, and it was still the right thing for them to postpone the 2020 olympics.

jakeinspace 7y ago
My understanding is that Japan didn't do the best job, although definitely better than the US. Taiwan probably has had the best Coronavirus response.
- Hamuko 7y ago
  Doesn't Japan have a much higher case fatality rate than the US?
  - jakeinspace 7y ago
    They also have a much older population. Maybe saying that they had a "much better" response than the US is too generous, certainly compared to their neighbors of similar means, Japan has been incredibly slow to act and test.
    - tooltalk 7y ago
      > ... Japan has been incredibly slow to act and test. and it seems the Japanese public is quite angry over Abe's willful neglect to save the Olympics. Now that the Olympics is off the table (ie, postponed), Japan can stop pretending that everything is all sunshine and sunflower.
- tooltalk 7y ago
  Not sure if Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam had to do much to prevent it in the first place. Their warmer climate seems to have slowed the spread. South Korea's initial response was actually slow -- didn't restrict travel from China like many others did. The president declared a premature victory ("it would be over soon") and donated 2M face masks to China -- only to find the country in masks shortage the very following week. But their innovative testing efficiency (eg, drive-through, booth) and containment strategy set a good example for the world.
pletsch 7y ago
They're adults, they can see that the world is dealing with something significantly more important than the Olympics.
bedhead 7y ago
Yeah sorry I think we have more important things to do right now.
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Legogris 7y ago
The short answer is, we don't know. There just isn't data to tell. That being said, not that much testing has been made. The culture doesn't promote not downplaying or hiding your symptoms. Past couple of weeks, people have been relaxing. Cherry trees are in full bloom and so are the park gatherings. At the airport there are fingerprint scanners at the passport control - no way to sanitize your hands until after luggage unless you brought hand sanitizer. I could go on. Tokyo's governor just mentioned the possibility of a Europe/China style lockdown: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tokyo-idUSKBN21A18S https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tokyo-... Tokyo just picked up the rate significantly: https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/10900000/000612031.pdf https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/10900000/000612031.pdf CDC just raised Japan's alert rate: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/coronavirus-japan https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/coronavirus-jap... Internally, there are recommendations, and not much more. Bars and clubs are still going. Many offices are business as usual, apart from not demanding everyone in at 8:40 sharp to spread out commutes a bit more. Many of those expect to be able to return to that by April. (Just anecdata, my girlfriend happens to work at one such company) Golden Week is coming up. For those who don't know, generally in Japan people only have around 10 holidays - but on the other hand there are a lot of holidays. It just so happens that in may several of those fall together and it's the one week every year where everyone goes traveling (there is also New Year's which is more focused on family). I am not optimistic.

libria 7y ago

Use Twitter; Japan's PM has an account. > @AbeShinzo, it ain't yer fault bro #tokyo2021 - @thieving_magpie

Hamuko 7y ago
@AbeShinzoニキ、お前のせいじゃねぇぞ