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You also forget to mention the magic pipes that let ships dump water polluted with oil directly into the sea so they don’t have to pay at ports for proper dispo

You also forget to mention the magic pipes that let ships dump water polluted with oil directly into the sea so they don’t have to pay at ports for proper disposal. Outlaw ocean is an eye opening book (and a great read) about how lawless the sea is, how slavery is still very very real out there, and how it’s virtually impossible to keep eating fish once you know what’s going on (both in terms of human trafficking and in terms of quotas violation/fishing in U.N. “protected” natural reserves) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_pipe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_pipe https://www.theoutlawocean.com/ https://www.theoutlawocean.com/

toyg 7y ago
These days it’s basically impossible to “ethically” eat anything, unless you have your own patch of land and can be bothered to grow vegetables.
- ornornor 7y ago
  It beats doing nothing. Vegetables are harder to avoid eating at all, but fish? You can totally do without eating any ever again and be fine. And almost all salt you can buy in stores has iode added so you won’t miss that nutrient.
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  - 93po 7y ago
    There's no known dietary replacement for some essential nutrients that come from eating fish. Even fish oil pills aren't as effective.
    - ornornor 7y ago
      Fish oil pills don’t solve the issue anyway, they’re made out of fish. Be that as it may, by not eating fish you’re also not absorbing as much heavy metals which fish is rather rich in these days.
- jsilence 7y ago
  Not entirely true. Buy produce from your local organic farmer at the farmers market and you'll probably be fine ethically.
- bmn__ 7y ago
  Only if eating ethically is defined binary, not on a gradient. A huge portion of harm can be reduced/prevented with only a little effort. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
  - omgwtfbbqhihihi 7y ago
    > "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. " Battle cry of the conservative party lately. This quote has its place but not in the context of this conversation.
    - gotanothermate 7y ago
      That's a pretty good battle cry. Was that meant to be a jab?
jacobush 7y ago
I find it strange that ships mix water runoff, antifreeze, hydraulic oil, engine oil seepage etc etc into a huge big mixed bilge tank and then try to separate it with an oil separator. Strange.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  It's more like the bilge is a central place where any fluid that leaks out of whatever system normally handles it winds up. On small vessels you just have a straight bilge pump that dumps out the side. At cruise ship scale you can afford to stick an oil/water separator filter on it.
  - jacobush 7y ago
    Yes I can understand how it could end up like that, it’s just that I think there must be a better way by now.
DoubleGlazing 7y ago
I have a friend who used to be a purser for one of the big cruise lines. They had a leak which ruined a huge amount of carpet in a dining room. They carried spare carpet on board and replaced it... and then dumped the old carpet off the side of the ship.

toyg 7y ago

These days it’s basically impossible to “ethically” eat anything, unless you have your own patch of land and can be bothered to grow vegetables.

ornornor 7y ago
It beats doing nothing. Vegetables are harder to avoid eating at all, but fish? You can totally do without eating any ever again and be fine. And almost all salt you can buy in stores has iode added so you won’t miss that nutrient.
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- 93po 7y ago
  There's no known dietary replacement for some essential nutrients that come from eating fish. Even fish oil pills aren't as effective.
  - ornornor 7y ago
    Fish oil pills don’t solve the issue anyway, they’re made out of fish. Be that as it may, by not eating fish you’re also not absorbing as much heavy metals which fish is rather rich in these days.
jsilence 7y ago
Not entirely true. Buy produce from your local organic farmer at the farmers market and you'll probably be fine ethically.
bmn__ 7y ago
Only if eating ethically is defined binary, not on a gradient. A huge portion of harm can be reduced/prevented with only a little effort. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
- omgwtfbbqhihihi 7y ago
  > "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. " Battle cry of the conservative party lately. This quote has its place but not in the context of this conversation.
  - gotanothermate 7y ago
    That's a pretty good battle cry. Was that meant to be a jab?

jacobush 7y ago

I find it strange that ships mix water runoff, antifreeze, hydraulic oil, engine oil seepage etc etc into a huge big mixed bilge tank and then try to separate it with an oil separator. Strange.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
It's more like the bilge is a central place where any fluid that leaks out of whatever system normally handles it winds up. On small vessels you just have a straight bilge pump that dumps out the side. At cruise ship scale you can afford to stick an oil/water separator filter on it.
- jacobush 7y ago
  Yes I can understand how it could end up like that, it’s just that I think there must be a better way by now.

DoubleGlazing 7y ago

I have a friend who used to be a purser for one of the big cruise lines. They had a leak which ruined a huge amount of carpet in a dining room. They carried spare carpet on board and replaced it... and then dumped the old carpet off the side of the ship.