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Not at all. You still need to renew your PR status over time. It's only permanent in the sense that if you are free to live in the country without needing to be

Not at all. You still need to renew your PR status over time. It's only permanent in the sense that if you are free to live in the country without needing to be sponsored by someone (company or individual). It's still a visa at the end of the day. If you're on an EP / WP which is then cancelled you have 30 days to get a new visa or leave the country. PR != Citizenship in any shape or form.

jlokier 7y ago
> PR != Citizenship in any shape or form. Regular administrative renewal, yes, but aside from that, I guess my complaint is that PR should resemble citizenship better, in matters of justice and in other matters. People live in PR status for an extraordinarily long time. Decades. Sometimes their whole life after obtaining it. Nobody should be have to live their lives in "second-class person, second-class justice" mode for such a long time wihout being able to lay down roots. It's not good for individuals and it's not good for society, and it's not right. The same applies to partners or spouses of citizens. Generally if you're an immigrant partner or spouse of a citizen, you live a second-class life, with second-class justice and second-class healthcare, because you know everythig you have can be taken away by one bad domestic argument. All it takes is uncertainty about a breakdown of the relationship for you to be remainded that you can lose just arout everything you have and value in life. So suck it up and be a good wife/husband, now fetch me my dinner etc. There should at least be reasonable time limits on such second-class status, purely on moral and natural justice grounds.
- philliphaydon 7y ago
  There is alot of negativity towards PR in Singapore because Citizens often feel that PR get too many benefits that they never feel the need or want to give up their own citizenship in favor of Singapore citizenship. Alot of the benefits of PR have been taken away or reduced over the last 8 years that i've lived here.

jlokier 7y ago

> PR != Citizenship in any shape or form. Regular administrative renewal, yes, but aside from that, I guess my complaint is that PR should resemble citizenship better, in matters of justice and in other matters. People live in PR status for an extraordinarily long time. Decades. Sometimes their whole life after obtaining it. Nobody should be have to live their lives in "second-class person, second-class justice" mode for such a long time wihout being able to lay down roots. It's not good for individuals and it's not good for society, and it's not right. The same applies to partners or spouses of citizens. Generally if you're an immigrant partner or spouse of a citizen, you live a second-class life, with second-class justice and second-class healthcare, because you know everythig you have can be taken away by one bad domestic argument. All it takes is uncertainty about a breakdown of the relationship for you to be remainded that you can lose just arout everything you have and value in life. So suck it up and be a good wife/husband, now fetch me my dinner etc. There should at least be reasonable time limits on such second-class status, purely on moral and natural justice grounds.

philliphaydon 7y ago
There is alot of negativity towards PR in Singapore because Citizens often feel that PR get too many benefits that they never feel the need or want to give up their own citizenship in favor of Singapore citizenship. Alot of the benefits of PR have been taken away or reduced over the last 8 years that i've lived here.