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Why was Facebook stashing so many masks? Anyway, if they didn't donate them, the Goverment said they are gonna confiscate them, and this was already clear.

kippinitreal 7y ago
They had them for wildfire smoke, which seems pretty reasonable. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/zuckerberg-donates-facebook-s-emergency-wildfire-mask-stash https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/zuckerber...
tedk-42 7y ago
Read the article. It says why.
- nikolay 7y ago
  It doesn't explain the vast amount of masks and gloves. They were stashing. I want to see a document showing exactly when they've purchased them. I won't be surprised if it was in 2020. These masks have expiry, so, why would one company stash so many - their staff is nowhere close!
djohnston 7y ago
“To help, Facebook donated our emergency reserve of 720,000 masks that we had bought in case the wildfires continued,” Zuckerberg said in a post, adding that the company is also working on “sourcing a lot more to donate.”
tempestn 7y ago
It says in the article they were purchased in case of continued wildfires. Do you have a source for the government confiscating emergency supplies? My understanding was that that was only in cases of hoarding and profiteering in response to this crisis.
speg 7y ago
Wildfires.
- rvnx 7y ago
  and what about the 1'500'000 gloves they were hoarding ? wildfires too ?
  - nullc 7y ago
    Characterizing preparedness as 'hording' is a socially toxic behavior which will discourage future preparedness. It's not like they had plans to sell them for price gouging purposes nor did they purchase them immediately ahead of a crisis and create/contribute to a shortage or anything anti-social like that. For durable emergency supplies like masks. all of us should, if we're able, be maintaining a supply outside of emergency times to help buffer demand shocks at times of need.
    - rvnx 7y ago
      haha, we don't talk about the same zuck :)
37 7y ago
FTA: “To help, Facebook donated our emergency reserve of 720,000 masks that we had bought in case the wildfires continued,” Zuckerberg said in a post
- nikolay 7y ago
  We're not talking 70K masks, we're talking 720K! These masks have an expiration date. I want them to publish their purchase documents! I won't be surprised if they bought them back in February like possibly many other corporations and that's why we ended up with no masks.
  - esyir 7y ago
    Man, this really is a case of no good deed goes unpunished, isn't it. That the response to a donation of their emergency reserves comes with "clearly they were up to no good" isn't exactly encouraging further cooperation.
  - dylz 7y ago
    This amount is only sufficient for a week or two for their employees.
ci5er 7y ago
> Anyway, if they didn't donate them, the Goverment said they are gonna confiscate them, and this was already clear. There are going to be lawsuits going on for a decade because of the government ordering things that they are not allowed to do.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity (Sovereign immunity)
  - ci5er 7y ago
    I know the concept. Schiff just tried to apply it to not having to reveal his subpoenas. But "Qualified" immunity is an adjunct concept.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Just pointing out it’s a steep hill to climb.
- basementcat 7y ago
  US Government has confiscated much more than facemasks in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Railroad_Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Railroad_Adminis... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation
KarlKemp 7y ago
The government also said that “everyone who wants to get tested can get tested”. And with all the specificity we have come to expect and love, he-who-shall-not-be-named also said “lots and lots, very much many” masks had been acquired. Yet according to https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21191003/coronavirus-trump-defense-production-act-venezuela https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21191003/coronavirus-trump-def..., the federal government has not made a single order for masks, ventilators, or any other material. So I’d be surprised if they directly went for requisitions, especially from non-producers such as Facebook. I’d actually be surprised if they even knew Facebook had masks. So: have a link for “the government said”?

kippinitreal 7y ago

They had them for wildfire smoke, which seems pretty reasonable. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/zuckerberg-donates-facebook-s-emergency-wildfire-mask-stash https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/zuckerber...

tedk-42 7y ago

Read the article. It says why.

nikolay 7y ago
It doesn't explain the vast amount of masks and gloves. They were stashing. I want to see a document showing exactly when they've purchased them. I won't be surprised if it was in 2020. These masks have expiry, so, why would one company stash so many - their staff is nowhere close!

djohnston 7y ago

“To help, Facebook donated our emergency reserve of 720,000 masks that we had bought in case the wildfires continued,” Zuckerberg said in a post, adding that the company is also working on “sourcing a lot more to donate.”

tempestn 7y ago

It says in the article they were purchased in case of continued wildfires. Do you have a source for the government confiscating emergency supplies? My understanding was that that was only in cases of hoarding and profiteering in response to this crisis.

speg 7y ago

Wildfires.

rvnx 7y ago
and what about the 1'500'000 gloves they were hoarding ? wildfires too ?
- nullc 7y ago
  Characterizing preparedness as 'hording' is a socially toxic behavior which will discourage future preparedness. It's not like they had plans to sell them for price gouging purposes nor did they purchase them immediately ahead of a crisis and create/contribute to a shortage or anything anti-social like that. For durable emergency supplies like masks. all of us should, if we're able, be maintaining a supply outside of emergency times to help buffer demand shocks at times of need.
  - rvnx 7y ago
    haha, we don't talk about the same zuck :)

37 7y ago

FTA: “To help, Facebook donated our emergency reserve of 720,000 masks that we had bought in case the wildfires continued,” Zuckerberg said in a post

nikolay 7y ago
We're not talking 70K masks, we're talking 720K! These masks have an expiration date. I want them to publish their purchase documents! I won't be surprised if they bought them back in February like possibly many other corporations and that's why we ended up with no masks.
- esyir 7y ago
  Man, this really is a case of no good deed goes unpunished, isn't it. That the response to a donation of their emergency reserves comes with "clearly they were up to no good" isn't exactly encouraging further cooperation.
- dylz 7y ago
  This amount is only sufficient for a week or two for their employees.

ci5er 7y ago

> Anyway, if they didn't donate them, the Goverment said they are gonna confiscate them, and this was already clear. There are going to be lawsuits going on for a decade because of the government ordering things that they are not allowed to do.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity (Sovereign immunity)
- ci5er 7y ago
  I know the concept. Schiff just tried to apply it to not having to reveal his subpoenas. But "Qualified" immunity is an adjunct concept.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Just pointing out it’s a steep hill to climb.
basementcat 7y ago
US Government has confiscated much more than facemasks in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Railroad_Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Railroad_Adminis... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation

KarlKemp 7y ago

The government also said that “everyone who wants to get tested can get tested”. And with all the specificity we have come to expect and love, he-who-shall-not-be-named also said “lots and lots, very much many” masks had been acquired. Yet according to https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21191003/coronavirus-trump-defense-production-act-venezuela https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21191003/coronavirus-trump-def..., the federal government has not made a single order for masks, ventilators, or any other material. So I’d be surprised if they directly went for requisitions, especially from non-producers such as Facebook. I’d actually be surprised if they even knew Facebook had masks. So: have a link for “the government said”?