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Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered h

Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

wolfi1 7y ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731 https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731
- nostromo 7y ago
  He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance. He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks." http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate I don't see why every story needs to be about him.
  - whateveracct 7y ago
    This story is clearly related to Trump and would not have happened without his statements. Just because he didn't say anything 100% explicitly the cause it and may have been misinterpreted is honestly besides the point. When you are given the power of the presidency, you should either treat your public words with care of just quit forever for all our sakes. This is just how having power _works_. It's a two-way street, and the idealistic American Way. EDIT: Anyone care to explain the downvotes? This is my opinion on those gifted with power in all situations. It goes for companies as well. If you're the CEO, VPE, whatever. There should be checks to balance that gifted power. One check is a higher standard of public speaking due to your newfound influence.
    - chrisco255 7y ago
      Simple. You make a clear connection between Trump saying hydroxychloroquine has promise and they're fast-tracking FDA approval to...man consumes fish tank additive. Trump was not even the only high profile person touting it. Elon Musk, too, touts the drug. It's not even clear this man had COVID-19. How much of his actions were driven by the escalating irrational fear on news reports? How much was driven by some random internet forum somewhere making such a suggestion? What was the mental state of the man in question? Why didn't this man seek medical advice before consuming fish tank chemicals? There's a ton about just this one story to unpack, but of course it's been sensationalized as a political hit job.
  - triceratops 7y ago
    The FDA has not approved it for COVID-19.
    - redis_mlc 7y ago
      Not sure if that's relevant. Once a drug is approved by the FDA for one disease, it can be used off-label for other purposes.
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      - triceratops 7y ago
        It absolutely is relevant. A layperson will hear "chloroquine works on Covid-19. The FDA's approved it. The President himself said so." Like I could go and say "The FDA has approved Rogaine." It's true, but it's a useless statement in the context of Covid-19.
      - marzell 7y ago
        Iodine is approved for treating exposure to radiation. That doesn't mean it's OK to start drinking from a bottle of industrial-use iodine that isn't made for human consumption.
        AstralStorm 7y ago
        Likely much safer than taking aquarium cleaner, presuming correct dosage. These things tend to be chemically pure.
  - drodgers 7y ago
    And as we know, the exact wording of Trump's statements is of critical importance to how his supporters interpret them.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody. Surely you've noticed that some folk take the President's public statements at face value.
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  - mindslight 7y ago
    > I don't see why every story needs to be about him. He's literally the President. If he didn't want the spotlight on him, he shouldn't have run. If he doesn't want a negative spotlight on him, he should stop confidently proclaiming bullshit that requires nuanced correction to not be actively harmful. It didn't really matter when the topics were just partisan squabbling, as nothing was going to get done anyway. But we're now facing a shared crisis and yet he keeps at the same disruptive boasting. It's inexcusable.
- Orcus90482 7y ago
  A quick skim of the article does not show any quote stating you should self medicate. There are quotes misrepresenting which stage of approval it is in.
  - mattkrause 7y ago
    Verbatim quote from the President: "if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody." Edit: Yes, I realize what he probably meant. I know how meds work. I still think he should have chosen his wording more carefully.
    - ummonk 7y ago
      I.e. even if the drug is ineffective, at least we know it doesn't have fatal side effects, because it has already been used widely and approved for malaria treatment after going through safety trials a long while ago. This is in contrast to experimental drugs, which don't just have questionable efficacy, but also unknown safety. It goes without saying that like all prescription drugs which have been proven safe, chloroquine should only be taken when prescribed by a doctor, at the recommended dosage. Obviously if you self-medicate with any safe prescription drug, you risk harming yourself by overdosing.
      - mattkrause 7y ago
        I realize that's probably what he (or realistically, whoever told him that) meant, but that's not at all what he said. He's talking to a broad, panicked audience and anyone doing so ought to choose their words carefully. Something like "Great news is that we've already had safety data for this stuff, so we're going straight to efficacy trials!" would convey plenty of optimism without encouraging yahoos to do dumb things.
      - anigbrowl 7y ago
        It doesn't really go without saying. Otherwise pharmaceutical advertising wouldn't need copious safety warnings in every single commercial. I don't think it's a good idea to take the President's happy talk at face value, but then I also didn't think it was ever a good idea to spend money on Trump University, or donating to Trump charities; on the other hand, enough people did that the matters ended up in court and the two branded entities mentioned above were both found to be liable for misinforming their customers/donors. There are a lot of stupid folk among the public, and it is to them that scam artists like Jim Bakker or Alex Jones market quack cures. There's an appetite for quack cures because they seem affordable relative to the often-inaccessible costs of basic medical treatment, because we don't have a universal public health system in the USA. The sad fact is that people sell snake oil because there are fat profits to be made by doing so, even though most of us recognize such products as little better than placebos at best or dangerous at worst. This is why we have product regulation, credentialing and so on; it's hard for people to personally assess the quality of every product or service and there are unscrupulous people who are willing to exploit that difficulty.
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  The article says Trump instructed the FDA to clinically trial it, and describes the conditions under which a doctor can currently prescribe it. What exactly are you claiming is irresponsible about this?
- LocalH 7y ago
  That link has absolutely nothing to do with whether Trump "recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine"
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Xavdidtheshadow 7y ago
Right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuNbGC2D_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuNbGC2D_8
- ummonk 7y ago
  He said that it has had very encouraging early results, and we know it won't kill anyone because it has already been in use, and that they will work with the FDA to make it available. All of this is accurate. It doesn't mean people should be self-medicating, anymore than they should be self-medicating for malaria treatment. Look, I've been highly critical of Trump's handling of the crisis but you can't really pin this particular incident on him.
freepor 7y ago
Exact quote regarding a drug not approved by the FDA for treatment of the disease: "We’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately." And: "It may work, it may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is. Just a feeling." From a pharmaceutical company, this would be patently illegal advertising since it's mentioning an off-label use of a drug. From a politician with zero medical knowledge, it's vastly irresponsible given the size of audience who listens to him and trusts him.
- tathougies 7y ago
  The FDA has approved it as a prescription drug. You shouldn't use a prescription drug unless you have a doctor telling you to. A doctor would know to look for the side effects and contraindications of quinine (of which there are many). Obviously, self medicating a prescription drug is irresponsible. None of what the president says changes that. He said the FDA approved it. Independent of the truth value of that statement, it would still be approved of as a prescription drug.
  - triceratops 7y ago
    The FDA has not approved it as a prescription drug for Covid-19. It's approved for malaria.
    - wl 7y ago
      That's not really relevant. A physician can lawfully prescribe it today for COVID-19 despite not being FDA approved for that indication because it's approved for other indications. This is called off-label use. What FDA approval for treating COVID-19 would mean is that the drug could be marketed for such use. In a pandemic, I don't think that's a major consideration.
      - triceratops 7y ago
        It absolutely is relevant. A layperson will hear "chloroquine works on Covid-19. The FDA's approved it. The President himself said so."
decebalus1 7y ago
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242120391054757900 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12421203910547579... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1241367239900778501 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/12413672399007785... So everything below him explicitly telling everyone to obtain and consume chloroquine doesn't count, right? He's the goddamn president. I expect his words to be very carefully weighted.
- blunte 7y ago
  Let me help you a bit: s/I expect his words to be carefully weighted/I expect a person in his position to use carefully considered words/ By now we know that's not the reality the US lives in.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  You're blaming Trump for the peanut gallery on Twitter?
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  I think if you want to criticize somebody for saying something, they should have at least actually said it.
- alvah 7y ago
  Where have you been hiding since 2016, that you expect Trump's words to be very carefully weighted?
blunte 7y ago
One does not need to make any effort to construct any absurd statement to assign to Trump. He gleefully posts an unending stream of them to choose from on Twitter. And if that fails, there are frequent recent campaign rally videos to use.
topher200 7y ago
> Now, a drug called chloroquine — and some people would add to it “hydroxy-.” Hydroxychloroquine. So chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. Now, this is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis. If somebody has pretty serious arthritis, also uses this in a somewhat different form. But it is known as a malaria drug, and it’s been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody. > When you go with a brand-new drug, you don’t know that that’s going to happen. You have to see and you have to go — long test. But this has been used in different forms — very powerful drug — in different forms. And it’s shown very encouraging — very, very encouraging early results. And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that’s where the FDA has been so great. They — they’ve gone through the approval process; it’s been approved. And they did it — they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we’re going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states. > I spoke with Governor Cuomo about it at great length last night, and he wants to be right on — on the — he wants to be first on line. And so I think that’s a tremendous — there’s tremendous promise, based on the results and other tests. There’s tremendous promise. And normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it’s — it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved, by prescription. Individual states will handle it. They can handle it. Doctors will handle it. And I think it’s going to be — I think it’s going to be great. > Then we’re quickly studying this drug, and while we’re continuing to study it — but the studying is going to be also done in — as it’s given out to large groups of people, perhaps in New York and other places. We’ll study it there. From his March 19 statement: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-6/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres.... In total, he mentioned the drug by name 11 times during that statement (according to Ctrl+f).
- orblivion 7y ago
  I'm reading "This drug is gonna be great." I'm not reading "take this drug without your doctor's orders".
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gowld 7y ago
Please don't make inflammatory comments in lieu of simple Internet searches. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-undercuts-fauci-on-whether-chloroquine-can-treat-coronavirus-2020-3%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-u...
post_below 7y ago
"We're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They've gone through the approval process - it's been approved."
mattkrause 7y ago
Do you have an exact quote from Henry II where he asks someone to murder Thomas Becket?
- mmhsieh 7y ago
  or an exact quote when George bush said there were WMDs in Iraq?
  - mattkrause 7y ago
    "The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons." (October 7, 2002). https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/new/doc%2012/President%20Bush%20Outlines%20Iraqi%20Threat.htm https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/new/doc%2012/Pre...
    - mmhsieh 7y ago
      by the standards of the trump defenders he literally needed to say "there are WMDs in Iraq"
triceratops 7y ago
He said something to the effect of "chloroquine shows promise. The FDA has approved for it to be prescribed." The first statement is debatable (for now), while the second is completely false. (full quote below) Can we agree that it's not great to be giving out incomplete or incorrect information on such a prominent stage? "It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results...Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription." However, the FDA after the briefing issued a statement saying it had not approved the drug for use against Covid-19 and is still studying its effectiveness against the disease. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nigeria-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nige...
- abnry 7y ago
  Trump is very bad at communicating. However, as I understood what Trump was trying to say is that the drug has already passed clinical tests by the FDA which shows it is not massively risky to take, for any reason, within proper limits. So it is FDA approved, just not for COVID-19 uses. (That is, without adding "for COVID-19", the statement "The FDA has approved it to be prescribed" is literally true.) He is contrasting this to some other drug that could potentially be used to help COVID-19 patients but has not had the same testing. This is a huge deal, because it allows the FDA to move quicker in evaluating the potential use of the drug in COVID-19 situations.
pmichaud 7y ago
I was wondering the same. It's really hard to quote Trump because of the way he talks, but I looked up a transcript of the press conference in question: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-6/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres... The quote (heavily pruned, but you can look it up in the link to verify I didn't change the meaning) is: > Now, a drug called chloroquine ... is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis... in a somewhat different form ... But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, ... it’s not going to kill anybody. > When you go with a brand-new drug, you don’t know that that’s going to happen. ... But this has been used in different forms — very powerful drug ... And it’s shown very encouraging — very, very encouraging early results. And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. [The FDA has] gone through the approval process; it’s been approved. ... So we’re going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states. There is more, and it's similar in tone. So I don't think he said "Please go take the following drug without advice from your doctor" but he did say that it was powerful, safe, and already approved by the FDA. So I think it's fair to say that he was incautious in talking about a potentially dangerous, experimental treatment.
- powowowow 7y ago
  It really sucks that people are downvoting your cogent and fact-based response.
  - pmichaud 7y ago
    I thought so too, but when someone gets involved in divisive topics online, they get what they get.
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Uehreka 7y ago
Here’s one example of him advising that it might be useful: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fauci-throws-cold-water-trumps-declaration-malaria-drug/story?id=69716324 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fauci-throws-cold-water-trum... And yeah, his language is imprecise enough that you could pick it apart and find a reasonable motivation behind it if you looked hard enough. But even a really charitable reading can only upgrade his remarks from “flagrantly dangerous” to “unnecessary and not very helpful”, and we should expect more from the president than that.
cmurf 7y ago
This is a smear tactic to silence the rational and logical criticism of near constant mendacity by a public official. The actual political agenda here is the smear tactic itself, that tries to stop holding such public officials accountable to their prior statements, as if they have taken no oath of office that binds them to a fiduciary duty to protect others. We can have no civil society without these oaths being taken seriously, and holding people accountable for breaking them. It does not matter if they are CEOs, CFOs, CIOs, senators, representatives, or presidents. We are lost if they are treated as mere scraps of paper or words people say as blasé ritual.

wolfi1 7y ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731 https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731

nostromo 7y ago
He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance. He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks." http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate I don't see why every story needs to be about him.
- whateveracct 7y ago
  This story is clearly related to Trump and would not have happened without his statements. Just because he didn't say anything 100% explicitly the cause it and may have been misinterpreted is honestly besides the point. When you are given the power of the presidency, you should either treat your public words with care of just quit forever for all our sakes. This is just how having power _works_. It's a two-way street, and the idealistic American Way. EDIT: Anyone care to explain the downvotes? This is my opinion on those gifted with power in all situations. It goes for companies as well. If you're the CEO, VPE, whatever. There should be checks to balance that gifted power. One check is a higher standard of public speaking due to your newfound influence.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    Simple. You make a clear connection between Trump saying hydroxychloroquine has promise and they're fast-tracking FDA approval to...man consumes fish tank additive. Trump was not even the only high profile person touting it. Elon Musk, too, touts the drug. It's not even clear this man had COVID-19. How much of his actions were driven by the escalating irrational fear on news reports? How much was driven by some random internet forum somewhere making such a suggestion? What was the mental state of the man in question? Why didn't this man seek medical advice before consuming fish tank chemicals? There's a ton about just this one story to unpack, but of course it's been sensationalized as a political hit job.
- triceratops 7y ago
  The FDA has not approved it for COVID-19.
  - redis_mlc 7y ago
    Not sure if that's relevant. Once a drug is approved by the FDA for one disease, it can be used off-label for other purposes.
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    - triceratops 7y ago
      It absolutely is relevant. A layperson will hear "chloroquine works on Covid-19. The FDA's approved it. The President himself said so." Like I could go and say "The FDA has approved Rogaine." It's true, but it's a useless statement in the context of Covid-19.
    - marzell 7y ago
      Iodine is approved for treating exposure to radiation. That doesn't mean it's OK to start drinking from a bottle of industrial-use iodine that isn't made for human consumption.
      - AstralStorm 7y ago
        Likely much safer than taking aquarium cleaner, presuming correct dosage. These things tend to be chemically pure.
- drodgers 7y ago
  And as we know, the exact wording of Trump's statements is of critical importance to how his supporters interpret them.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody. Surely you've noticed that some folk take the President's public statements at face value.
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- mindslight 7y ago
  > I don't see why every story needs to be about him. He's literally the President. If he didn't want the spotlight on him, he shouldn't have run. If he doesn't want a negative spotlight on him, he should stop confidently proclaiming bullshit that requires nuanced correction to not be actively harmful. It didn't really matter when the topics were just partisan squabbling, as nothing was going to get done anyway. But we're now facing a shared crisis and yet he keeps at the same disruptive boasting. It's inexcusable.
Orcus90482 7y ago
A quick skim of the article does not show any quote stating you should self medicate. There are quotes misrepresenting which stage of approval it is in.
- mattkrause 7y ago
  Verbatim quote from the President: "if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody." Edit: Yes, I realize what he probably meant. I know how meds work. I still think he should have chosen his wording more carefully.
  - ummonk 7y ago
    I.e. even if the drug is ineffective, at least we know it doesn't have fatal side effects, because it has already been used widely and approved for malaria treatment after going through safety trials a long while ago. This is in contrast to experimental drugs, which don't just have questionable efficacy, but also unknown safety. It goes without saying that like all prescription drugs which have been proven safe, chloroquine should only be taken when prescribed by a doctor, at the recommended dosage. Obviously if you self-medicate with any safe prescription drug, you risk harming yourself by overdosing.
    - mattkrause 7y ago
      I realize that's probably what he (or realistically, whoever told him that) meant, but that's not at all what he said. He's talking to a broad, panicked audience and anyone doing so ought to choose their words carefully. Something like "Great news is that we've already had safety data for this stuff, so we're going straight to efficacy trials!" would convey plenty of optimism without encouraging yahoos to do dumb things.
    - anigbrowl 7y ago
      It doesn't really go without saying. Otherwise pharmaceutical advertising wouldn't need copious safety warnings in every single commercial. I don't think it's a good idea to take the President's happy talk at face value, but then I also didn't think it was ever a good idea to spend money on Trump University, or donating to Trump charities; on the other hand, enough people did that the matters ended up in court and the two branded entities mentioned above were both found to be liable for misinforming their customers/donors. There are a lot of stupid folk among the public, and it is to them that scam artists like Jim Bakker or Alex Jones market quack cures. There's an appetite for quack cures because they seem affordable relative to the often-inaccessible costs of basic medical treatment, because we don't have a universal public health system in the USA. The sad fact is that people sell snake oil because there are fat profits to be made by doing so, even though most of us recognize such products as little better than placebos at best or dangerous at worst. This is why we have product regulation, credentialing and so on; it's hard for people to personally assess the quality of every product or service and there are unscrupulous people who are willing to exploit that difficulty.
AmericanChopper 7y ago
The article says Trump instructed the FDA to clinically trial it, and describes the conditions under which a doctor can currently prescribe it. What exactly are you claiming is irresponsible about this?
LocalH 7y ago
That link has absolutely nothing to do with whether Trump "recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine"

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Xavdidtheshadow 7y ago

Right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuNbGC2D_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuNbGC2D_8

ummonk 7y ago
He said that it has had very encouraging early results, and we know it won't kill anyone because it has already been in use, and that they will work with the FDA to make it available. All of this is accurate. It doesn't mean people should be self-medicating, anymore than they should be self-medicating for malaria treatment. Look, I've been highly critical of Trump's handling of the crisis but you can't really pin this particular incident on him.

freepor 7y ago

Exact quote regarding a drug not approved by the FDA for treatment of the disease: "We’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately." And: "It may work, it may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is. Just a feeling." From a pharmaceutical company, this would be patently illegal advertising since it's mentioning an off-label use of a drug. From a politician with zero medical knowledge, it's vastly irresponsible given the size of audience who listens to him and trusts him.

tathougies 7y ago
The FDA has approved it as a prescription drug. You shouldn't use a prescription drug unless you have a doctor telling you to. A doctor would know to look for the side effects and contraindications of quinine (of which there are many). Obviously, self medicating a prescription drug is irresponsible. None of what the president says changes that. He said the FDA approved it. Independent of the truth value of that statement, it would still be approved of as a prescription drug.
- triceratops 7y ago
  The FDA has not approved it as a prescription drug for Covid-19. It's approved for malaria.
  - wl 7y ago
    That's not really relevant. A physician can lawfully prescribe it today for COVID-19 despite not being FDA approved for that indication because it's approved for other indications. This is called off-label use. What FDA approval for treating COVID-19 would mean is that the drug could be marketed for such use. In a pandemic, I don't think that's a major consideration.
    - triceratops 7y ago
      It absolutely is relevant. A layperson will hear "chloroquine works on Covid-19. The FDA's approved it. The President himself said so."

decebalus1 7y ago

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242120391054757900 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12421203910547579... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1241367239900778501 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/12413672399007785... So everything below him explicitly telling everyone to obtain and consume chloroquine doesn't count, right? He's the goddamn president. I expect his words to be very carefully weighted.

blunte 7y ago
Let me help you a bit: s/I expect his words to be carefully weighted/I expect a person in his position to use carefully considered words/ By now we know that's not the reality the US lives in.
chrisco255 7y ago
You're blaming Trump for the peanut gallery on Twitter?
AmericanChopper 7y ago
I think if you want to criticize somebody for saying something, they should have at least actually said it.
alvah 7y ago
Where have you been hiding since 2016, that you expect Trump's words to be very carefully weighted?

blunte 7y ago

One does not need to make any effort to construct any absurd statement to assign to Trump. He gleefully posts an unending stream of them to choose from on Twitter. And if that fails, there are frequent recent campaign rally videos to use.

topher200 7y ago

> Now, a drug called chloroquine — and some people would add to it “hydroxy-.” Hydroxychloroquine. So chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. Now, this is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis. If somebody has pretty serious arthritis, also uses this in a somewhat different form. But it is known as a malaria drug, and it’s been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody. > When you go with a brand-new drug, you don’t know that that’s going to happen. You have to see and you have to go — long test. But this has been used in different forms — very powerful drug — in different forms. And it’s shown very encouraging — very, very encouraging early results. And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that’s where the FDA has been so great. They — they’ve gone through the approval process; it’s been approved. And they did it — they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we’re going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states. > I spoke with Governor Cuomo about it at great length last night, and he wants to be right on — on the — he wants to be first on line. And so I think that’s a tremendous — there’s tremendous promise, based on the results and other tests. There’s tremendous promise. And normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it’s — it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved, by prescription. Individual states will handle it. They can handle it. Doctors will handle it. And I think it’s going to be — I think it’s going to be great. > Then we’re quickly studying this drug, and while we’re continuing to study it — but the studying is going to be also done in — as it’s given out to large groups of people, perhaps in New York and other places. We’ll study it there. From his March 19 statement: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-6/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres.... In total, he mentioned the drug by name 11 times during that statement (according to Ctrl+f).

orblivion 7y ago
I'm reading "This drug is gonna be great." I'm not reading "take this drug without your doctor's orders".
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gowld 7y ago

Please don't make inflammatory comments in lieu of simple Internet searches. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-undercuts-fauci-on-whether-chloroquine-can-treat-coronavirus-2020-3%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-u...

post_below 7y ago

"We're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They've gone through the approval process - it's been approved."

mattkrause 7y ago

Do you have an exact quote from Henry II where he asks someone to murder Thomas Becket?

mmhsieh 7y ago
or an exact quote when George bush said there were WMDs in Iraq?
- mattkrause 7y ago
  "The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons." (October 7, 2002). https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/new/doc%2012/President%20Bush%20Outlines%20Iraqi%20Threat.htm https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/new/doc%2012/Pre...
  - mmhsieh 7y ago
    by the standards of the trump defenders he literally needed to say "there are WMDs in Iraq"

triceratops 7y ago

He said something to the effect of "chloroquine shows promise. The FDA has approved for it to be prescribed." The first statement is debatable (for now), while the second is completely false. (full quote below) Can we agree that it's not great to be giving out incomplete or incorrect information on such a prominent stage? "It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results...Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription." However, the FDA after the briefing issued a statement saying it had not approved the drug for use against Covid-19 and is still studying its effectiveness against the disease. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nigeria-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nige...

abnry 7y ago
Trump is very bad at communicating. However, as I understood what Trump was trying to say is that the drug has already passed clinical tests by the FDA which shows it is not massively risky to take, for any reason, within proper limits. So it is FDA approved, just not for COVID-19 uses. (That is, without adding "for COVID-19", the statement "The FDA has approved it to be prescribed" is literally true.) He is contrasting this to some other drug that could potentially be used to help COVID-19 patients but has not had the same testing. This is a huge deal, because it allows the FDA to move quicker in evaluating the potential use of the drug in COVID-19 situations.

pmichaud 7y ago

I was wondering the same. It's really hard to quote Trump because of the way he talks, but I looked up a transcript of the press conference in question: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-6/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres... The quote (heavily pruned, but you can look it up in the link to verify I didn't change the meaning) is: > Now, a drug called chloroquine ... is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis... in a somewhat different form ... But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, ... it’s not going to kill anybody. > When you go with a brand-new drug, you don’t know that that’s going to happen. ... But this has been used in different forms — very powerful drug ... And it’s shown very encouraging — very, very encouraging early results. And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. [The FDA has] gone through the approval process; it’s been approved. ... So we’re going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states. There is more, and it's similar in tone. So I don't think he said "Please go take the following drug without advice from your doctor" but he did say that it was powerful, safe, and already approved by the FDA. So I think it's fair to say that he was incautious in talking about a potentially dangerous, experimental treatment.

powowowow 7y ago
It really sucks that people are downvoting your cogent and fact-based response.
- pmichaud 7y ago
  I thought so too, but when someone gets involved in divisive topics online, they get what they get.

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Uehreka 7y ago

Here’s one example of him advising that it might be useful: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fauci-throws-cold-water-trumps-declaration-malaria-drug/story?id=69716324 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fauci-throws-cold-water-trum... And yeah, his language is imprecise enough that you could pick it apart and find a reasonable motivation behind it if you looked hard enough. But even a really charitable reading can only upgrade his remarks from “flagrantly dangerous” to “unnecessary and not very helpful”, and we should expect more from the president than that.

cmurf 7y ago

This is a smear tactic to silence the rational and logical criticism of near constant mendacity by a public official. The actual political agenda here is the smear tactic itself, that tries to stop holding such public officials accountable to their prior statements, as if they have taken no oath of office that binds them to a fiduciary duty to protect others. We can have no civil society without these oaths being taken seriously, and holding people accountable for breaking them. It does not matter if they are CEOs, CFOs, CIOs, senators, representatives, or presidents. We are lost if they are treated as mere scraps of paper or words people say as blasé ritual.