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Can we trust Italy's numbers? They're attributing any questionable death to corona to hide their embarrassing influenza death rate. This can almost explain US

Can we trust Italy's numbers? They're attributing any questionable death to corona to hide their embarrassing influenza death rate. This can almost explain USA's minuscule death toll at 500 (influenza season averages 200/day).

dakrisht 7y ago
I don’t think so. Italy is counting ALL deaths as Covid deaths. Their Covid numbers are simply incorrect.
- bencunningham 7y ago
  Just curious, do you have a source?
- bob33212 7y ago
  For a week I've been wondering about Germany's numbers. Maybe they are doing something wrong, or maybe it is China and Italy that are giving us bad data.
taeric 7y ago
Do you have charts backing that 500 a day claim handy?
- formerchamp 7y ago
  ~500 total. Still a far cry from business as usual flu @ 200/day.
  - taeric 7y ago
    That isn't a chart. Or even a reference. :( Where are you getting these numbers?
    - formerchamp 7y ago
      There are several MSM sites reporting the death toll of US corona victims and they hover around 500 total at the moment. Note that they're very liberally grouping deaths into the corona bucket so I expect the number to be much lower in a post mortem. It's going to be like Trump's 2016 win where everyone was left scratching their heads and wondering how their math/fake science failed them. My flu death rate of 200/day comes from the CDC's last year figure of 34000 / 6 months (a really stretched flu season).
      - taeric 7y ago
        Thanks for referencing the cdc numbers. Google quickly confirmed that, and is what I was asking for. I hoped to have it per month, but don't see that immediately. Any chance you know where to find this for other countries?
cjhopman 7y ago
For those wondering if the people minimizing this disease as nothing more than a weaker influenza are correct, here's some data from new york's hospitals: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-syndromic-surveillance.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-s... Visits to emergency for Influenza-likeIllness+Pneumonia is at ~1.5x a bad flu season's peak and ~4x a normal flu season. Admissions for the same are at ~2-3x.
- taeric 7y ago
  I think people are claiming it is a stronger flu, not weaker. I think there are lots of people that don't realize how many die of the flu every year, but that is a different claim.
- bob33212 7y ago
  Great dataset! does this get updated frequently? We just need 3-6 more weeks to know how this plays out. Do we hit 50x flu deaths or 5x flu deaths...

dakrisht 7y ago

I don’t think so. Italy is counting ALL deaths as Covid deaths. Their Covid numbers are simply incorrect.

bencunningham 7y ago
Just curious, do you have a source?
bob33212 7y ago
For a week I've been wondering about Germany's numbers. Maybe they are doing something wrong, or maybe it is China and Italy that are giving us bad data.

taeric 7y ago

Do you have charts backing that 500 a day claim handy?

formerchamp 7y ago
~500 total. Still a far cry from business as usual flu @ 200/day.
- taeric 7y ago
  That isn't a chart. Or even a reference. :( Where are you getting these numbers?
  - formerchamp 7y ago
    There are several MSM sites reporting the death toll of US corona victims and they hover around 500 total at the moment. Note that they're very liberally grouping deaths into the corona bucket so I expect the number to be much lower in a post mortem. It's going to be like Trump's 2016 win where everyone was left scratching their heads and wondering how their math/fake science failed them. My flu death rate of 200/day comes from the CDC's last year figure of 34000 / 6 months (a really stretched flu season).
    - taeric 7y ago
      Thanks for referencing the cdc numbers. Google quickly confirmed that, and is what I was asking for. I hoped to have it per month, but don't see that immediately. Any chance you know where to find this for other countries?

cjhopman 7y ago

For those wondering if the people minimizing this disease as nothing more than a weaker influenza are correct, here's some data from new york's hospitals: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-syndromic-surveillance.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-s... Visits to emergency for Influenza-likeIllness+Pneumonia is at ~1.5x a bad flu season's peak and ~4x a normal flu season. Admissions for the same are at ~2-3x.

taeric 7y ago
I think people are claiming it is a stronger flu, not weaker. I think there are lots of people that don't realize how many die of the flu every year, but that is a different claim.
bob33212 7y ago
Great dataset! does this get updated frequently? We just need 3-6 more weeks to know how this plays out. Do we hit 50x flu deaths or 5x flu deaths...