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Why would such a mechanism of control incentivize those that feel sick to report their symptoms? Why would one submit to control at this level? This sound simi

Why would such a mechanism of control incentivize those that feel sick to report their symptoms? Why would one submit to control at this level? This sound similar to ankle-bracelet-level Parole / house arrest structures. In fact, I'd prefer that because it would only be providing a single source of sensor data to the government instead of possibly making my entire phone and location history accessible.

alkonaut 7y ago
It works well enough if everyone considers the best of their society as more important than their own freedoms. So it's pretty easy to extrapolate where this might work and where it would be fruitless.
- rootusrootus 7y ago
  The libertarian types who think the gov't shouldn't exercise this kind of authoritarian power also think their plan is the best for society.
  - vidarh 7y ago
    As a "libertarian type" well out on the left, I see the simple resolution to this that if you're prepared to risk the health of others, you're free to do that as long as you do it with other consenting adults apart from the rest of us, and expect not to be allowed contact with the rest of us until its safe. Freedom for everyone also means freedom for people to band together and decide not to want anything to do with those who don't want to follow their rules. Especially in this case, where the health risk arguably makes it aggression to try to force contact on others.
- sailfast 7y ago
  "The best of society as more important than their own freedoms" is a false choice here. I believe very strongly in working for the best of society which is why I bring up this very point. This kind of effect is also borne out in safety literature. If you want this to succeed to you have to remove consequences for reporting (and this means ensuring you are not overreacting to initial reporting or concerns) There is surely a compromise option here as well where the government does not get the data and/or you do not give everything up in order to achieve this outcome? Even a strict agreement about what specific data goes to the government, for how long, or having private companies or a purposely formed non-profit entity handle this would be better than handing your phone to your government. I'm hardly a libertarian but I do think it's important to consider how best to protect hard won freedoms before running toward the expedient, safe-feeling choice.
zajio1am 7y ago
Agreed, ankle-bracelet is less intrusive as one is not bothered by check-in phone calls.

alkonaut 7y ago

It works well enough if everyone considers the best of their society as more important than their own freedoms. So it's pretty easy to extrapolate where this might work and where it would be fruitless.

rootusrootus 7y ago
The libertarian types who think the gov't shouldn't exercise this kind of authoritarian power also think their plan is the best for society.
- vidarh 7y ago
  As a "libertarian type" well out on the left, I see the simple resolution to this that if you're prepared to risk the health of others, you're free to do that as long as you do it with other consenting adults apart from the rest of us, and expect not to be allowed contact with the rest of us until its safe. Freedom for everyone also means freedom for people to band together and decide not to want anything to do with those who don't want to follow their rules. Especially in this case, where the health risk arguably makes it aggression to try to force contact on others.
sailfast 7y ago
"The best of society as more important than their own freedoms" is a false choice here. I believe very strongly in working for the best of society which is why I bring up this very point. This kind of effect is also borne out in safety literature. If you want this to succeed to you have to remove consequences for reporting (and this means ensuring you are not overreacting to initial reporting or concerns) There is surely a compromise option here as well where the government does not get the data and/or you do not give everything up in order to achieve this outcome? Even a strict agreement about what specific data goes to the government, for how long, or having private companies or a purposely formed non-profit entity handle this would be better than handing your phone to your government. I'm hardly a libertarian but I do think it's important to consider how best to protect hard won freedoms before running toward the expedient, safe-feeling choice.

zajio1am 7y ago

Agreed, ankle-bracelet is less intrusive as one is not bothered by check-in phone calls.