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We are trying to save mass lives here friend.

donatj 7y ago
Do the ends justify the means though? I'm not sure. My wife has a single functional lung and very bad asthma. We are terrified. I have spent more than a little bit of time helping her down from panic attacks. …And yet, I'm not sure this is the right way to go about it. How many people are killed by automobiles each year? 1.25 million. That's more than Corona is estimated to kill, right? Should we just declare "hell with the economy, outlaw automobiles"?
- slifin 7y ago
  Yes, well I think get rid of all parking in major cities first in favour of park and rides at the edges Lots of people drive for unessential journeys which kills people in collisions, by pollution and increases demand for roads, oil, car services etc which kills more In a climate emergency driving a large Landrover or SUV around cities should be illegal
- samsonradu 7y ago
  You're right to question this. It has been analysed by every executive body around the world. A few observations: - The simulation of how this plays out on a 6M/1Y run might show that the economy will go to a deeper hell otherwise. After seeing the medical system overwhelmed and people starting to present breathing difficulties in the subway at rush hour, many will isolate themselves and reduce economic activity anyway - going out/trips/restaurants for a long time. - The UK economy is not insulated. If the other countries manage to contain the spread - and they probably will at some point - they will have to stop people coming from the UK since they will be very likely to carry the virus. It's a very unfortunate trade-off but we need to live with it for the time being.
- PJDK 7y ago
  In the uk fewer than 2000 people a year die from car accidents - the take no action modelling has deaths at around 1 million by the end of the summer in the UK(plus a health service that is entirely paralysed)
- rad_gruchalski 7y ago
  > Do the ends justify the means though? I'm not sure. > My wife has a single functional lung and very bad asthma. We are terrified. I have spent more than a little bit of time helping her down from panic attacks. Have you thought that it may be better for both of you that you _only_ have to calm her down? She is in a very high risk group. > …And yet, I'm not sure this is the right way to go about it. > How many people are killed by automobiles each year? 1.25 million. That's more than Corona is estimated to kill, right? Sure, but it’s not 1.25 million within 10 days having to be in ICU. Those 1.25m would effectively take away medical care from another, minimum, 1.25m. That’s what these measures are trying to prevent. Overcrowding the hospitals and limiting the critical cases. This is what happened in Italy. We can, of course, go about if anybody 60+ should effectively receive a death sentence when things go as bad as in Italy. But do you want to go that way? You can still go out and do stuff that is necessary to survive for 2 weeks or so. It’s not that bad.
- dbbk 7y ago
  If we didn't do this the hospitals would quickly be overrun and your wife wouldn't be able to get help if anything were to happen to her. Yes it's pretty necessary.

Do the ends justify the means though? I'm not sure. My wife has a single functional lung and very bad asthma. We are terrified. I have spent more than a little bit of time helping her down from panic attacks. …And yet, I'm not sure this is the right way to go about it. How many people are killed by automobiles each year? 1.25 million. That's more than Corona is estimated to kill, right? Should we just declare "hell with the economy, outlaw automobiles"?

slifin 7y ago
Yes, well I think get rid of all parking in major cities first in favour of park and rides at the edges Lots of people drive for unessential journeys which kills people in collisions, by pollution and increases demand for roads, oil, car services etc which kills more In a climate emergency driving a large Landrover or SUV around cities should be illegal
samsonradu 7y ago
You're right to question this. It has been analysed by every executive body around the world. A few observations: - The simulation of how this plays out on a 6M/1Y run might show that the economy will go to a deeper hell otherwise. After seeing the medical system overwhelmed and people starting to present breathing difficulties in the subway at rush hour, many will isolate themselves and reduce economic activity anyway - going out/trips/restaurants for a long time. - The UK economy is not insulated. If the other countries manage to contain the spread - and they probably will at some point - they will have to stop people coming from the UK since they will be very likely to carry the virus. It's a very unfortunate trade-off but we need to live with it for the time being.
PJDK 7y ago
In the uk fewer than 2000 people a year die from car accidents - the take no action modelling has deaths at around 1 million by the end of the summer in the UK(plus a health service that is entirely paralysed)
rad_gruchalski 7y ago
> Do the ends justify the means though? I'm not sure. > My wife has a single functional lung and very bad asthma. We are terrified. I have spent more than a little bit of time helping her down from panic attacks. Have you thought that it may be better for both of you that you _only_ have to calm her down? She is in a very high risk group. > …And yet, I'm not sure this is the right way to go about it. > How many people are killed by automobiles each year? 1.25 million. That's more than Corona is estimated to kill, right? Sure, but it’s not 1.25 million within 10 days having to be in ICU. Those 1.25m would effectively take away medical care from another, minimum, 1.25m. That’s what these measures are trying to prevent. Overcrowding the hospitals and limiting the critical cases. This is what happened in Italy. We can, of course, go about if anybody 60+ should effectively receive a death sentence when things go as bad as in Italy. But do you want to go that way? You can still go out and do stuff that is necessary to survive for 2 weeks or so. It’s not that bad.
dbbk 7y ago
If we didn't do this the hospitals would quickly be overrun and your wife wouldn't be able to get help if anything were to happen to her. Yes it's pretty necessary.