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No it wasn't. Your own scientists came forward with numbers on the cost. And it was too high. Health care system would (it might still) crash, leading to a lot

No it wasn't. Your own scientists came forward with numbers on the cost. And it was too high. Health care system would (it might still) crash, leading to a lot of extra deaths and other unpleasant consequences like backlog of non urgent checkups which can turn out to be urgent several months later. And please f*ck off with 'only old people die from COVID-19'. Old people with 3 comorbid conditions deserve better than to be left to die because some smartasses feel like it. And there are other groups of people risking dire consequences of COVID-19. Like people with weak immune system. Or ones with diabetes. Or ones being treated for cancer. Should we write off them too?

arcticbull 7y ago
> And please fck off with 'only old people die from COVID-19'. Old people with 3 comorbid conditions deserve better than to be left to die because some smartasses feel like it. And there are other groups of people risking dire consequences of COVID-19. Like people with weak immune system. Or ones with diabetes. Or ones being treated for cancer. Should we write off them too? Nobody said that, you didn't read my post. (1) People in risk categories are at risk. One of which is being old, and another is having a comorbid condition, and a huge one is having 3 comorbid conditions while being 82.5. That's a risk category for getting out of your bed in the morning. (2) Those people, the old, and with comorbid conditions, were to isolate, as they are doing literally right now. (3) The whole point behind the process was to create a protective buffer around them, otherwise they wouldn't be calling for their isolation. Take a deep breath.
- DanBC 7y ago
  Where "risk category" includes "has diabetes and high blood pressure" -- these are not what most people think of as high risk conditions.
  - arcticbull 7y ago
    Yeah. Did you not think someone was going to tell them before they kicked off the plan?
    - bonzini 7y ago
      Did they organize a way to get them groceries in the 2 weeks before giving in to lockdowns? Or was granny supposed to shop online?
      - arcticbull 7y ago
        Did they say they wouldn't? If grannies getting groceries was the only blocker, I'd deliver them myself.
        bonzini 7y ago
        They should have done it already by now, shouldn't they? Granny has been shopping for two weeks while she was supposed to stay home. It's not the only blocker, just an example of the incompetence with which the UK government has been operating thus far.
    - DanBC 7y ago
      They aren't being told. Did you think they were?
      - arcticbull 7y ago
        The plan isn't happening.
        DanBC 7y ago
        The plan is happening in the UK. People in vulnerable groups have been told to shield. There's not much point continuing this conversation: you've been factually incorrect in every single reply you've made to me. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shiel...
        7y ago
- AlexMuir 7y ago
  Your answer is coherent and rational and doesn’t deserve to be downvoted. I also agree with you. This situation is taking weeks from absolutely everybody’s lives.
gpderetta 7y ago
Yes. Old people are still people. And a lot of people that don't die still end up in ICU and can look forward to long term damage. Having spent a few days in hospital last year for a comparatively mild pneumonia, I'm definitely not looking forward for a repeat.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  Without ICU capacity they die.
llukas 7y ago
We written off much larger groups without a blink of an eye. At least in US unexpected expense of $400 puts 1/3 households in financial hardship [1]. What happens with workers when we shut down entire sectors of economy? [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/millions-of-americans-are-only-400-away-from-financial-hardship.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/millions-of-americans-are-on...
- lonelappde 7y ago
  Hardship beats the hell out of death. Money is imaginary. It's easy to defer rent payments and mail checks so people can focus on food, medicine, and heat for a while.
  - arcticbull 7y ago
    I'll be sure to pass on the "money is imaginary" line to my landlord when they're asking where the check is.
    - esotericn 7y ago
      In the UK you can now indeed do that.
      - mathw 7y ago
        Not if you're renting you can't. Renters and the self-employed still largely ignored by the government's support package.
        esotericn 7y ago
        Evictions have been halted. The fall out can be dealt with later. If you're between leases that's quite the pickle.
        spiralx 7y ago
        You can't be between leases easily in the UK as without actively signing a new lease the existing one rolls over into standard rental terms (one months notice from tenants, two from landlords) automatically.

arcticbull 7y ago

> And please fck off with 'only old people die from COVID-19'. Old people with 3 comorbid conditions deserve better than to be left to die because some smartasses feel like it. And there are other groups of people risking dire consequences of COVID-19. Like people with weak immune system. Or ones with diabetes. Or ones being treated for cancer. Should we write off them too? Nobody said that, you didn't read my post. (1) People in risk categories are at risk. One of which is being old, and another is having a comorbid condition, and a huge one is having 3 comorbid conditions while being 82.5. That's a risk category for getting out of your bed in the morning. (2) Those people, the old, and with comorbid conditions, were to isolate, as they are doing literally right now. (3) The whole point behind the process was to create a protective buffer around them, otherwise they wouldn't be calling for their isolation. Take a deep breath.

DanBC 7y ago
Where "risk category" includes "has diabetes and high blood pressure" -- these are not what most people think of as high risk conditions.
- arcticbull 7y ago
  Yeah. Did you not think someone was going to tell them before they kicked off the plan?
  - bonzini 7y ago
    Did they organize a way to get them groceries in the 2 weeks before giving in to lockdowns? Or was granny supposed to shop online?
    - arcticbull 7y ago
      Did they say they wouldn't? If grannies getting groceries was the only blocker, I'd deliver them myself.
      - bonzini 7y ago
        They should have done it already by now, shouldn't they? Granny has been shopping for two weeks while she was supposed to stay home. It's not the only blocker, just an example of the incompetence with which the UK government has been operating thus far.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    They aren't being told. Did you think they were?
    - arcticbull 7y ago
      The plan isn't happening.
      - DanBC 7y ago
        The plan is happening in the UK. People in vulnerable groups have been told to shield. There's not much point continuing this conversation: you've been factually incorrect in every single reply you've made to me. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shiel...
        7y ago
AlexMuir 7y ago
Your answer is coherent and rational and doesn’t deserve to be downvoted. I also agree with you. This situation is taking weeks from absolutely everybody’s lives.

gpderetta 7y ago

Yes. Old people are still people. And a lot of people that don't die still end up in ICU and can look forward to long term damage. Having spent a few days in hospital last year for a comparatively mild pneumonia, I'm definitely not looking forward for a repeat.

lonelappde 7y ago
Without ICU capacity they die.

llukas 7y ago

We written off much larger groups without a blink of an eye. At least in US unexpected expense of $400 puts 1/3 households in financial hardship [1]. What happens with workers when we shut down entire sectors of economy? [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/millions-of-americans-are-only-400-away-from-financial-hardship.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/millions-of-americans-are-on...

lonelappde 7y ago
Hardship beats the hell out of death. Money is imaginary. It's easy to defer rent payments and mail checks so people can focus on food, medicine, and heat for a while.
- arcticbull 7y ago
  I'll be sure to pass on the "money is imaginary" line to my landlord when they're asking where the check is.
  - esotericn 7y ago
    In the UK you can now indeed do that.
    - mathw 7y ago
      Not if you're renting you can't. Renters and the self-employed still largely ignored by the government's support package.
      - esotericn 7y ago
        Evictions have been halted. The fall out can be dealt with later. If you're between leases that's quite the pickle.
        spiralx 7y ago
        You can't be between leases easily in the UK as without actively signing a new lease the existing one rolls over into standard rental terms (one months notice from tenants, two from landlords) automatically.