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Tracking like this has been one of the reasons for Singapores success to curbing the virus. https://www.therakyatpost.com/2020/03/23/what-malaysia-can-learn-fr

Tracking like this has been one of the reasons for Singapores success to curbing the virus. https://www.therakyatpost.com/2020/03/23/what-malaysia-can-learn-from-singapores-handling-of-covid-19/ https://www.therakyatpost.com/2020/03/23/what-malaysia-can-l... ""If people don’t have symptoms, they’re put in home quarantine. And home quarantine is very strict. A couple times a day, you’ll get an SMS and you have to click on a link that will show where your phone is. In case you cheat and leave your phone at home with someone else, the government has people knocking on doors now and then. The penalties are pretty harsh. ""

refurb 7y ago
There was a Chinese person in Singapore who had PR and refused to follow the quarantine order. They took away his PR status.
- cma 7y ago
  PR?
  - bilal4hmed 7y ago
    Permanent Residence thats good. Rules are rules, especially in these times.
    - jlokier 7y ago
      That's terrible. PR is supposed to be "more or less a citizen, now stay for long enough and you can become a citizen". Not "we'll call it permanent but it doesn't mean anything". Rules means justice and enforcement too. You're not supposed to have a different justice system for people on PR than for citizens. They should have jailed the person, if that's what they do to citizens, or done whatever else they do to citizens who break the rules.
      - pcr0 7y ago
        Singapore's justice system is geared towards making extreme examples over fairness.
      - philliphaydon 7y ago
        Not at all. You still need to renew your PR status over time. It's only permanent in the sense that if you are free to live in the country without needing to be sponsored by someone (company or individual). It's still a visa at the end of the day. If you're on an EP / WP which is then cancelled you have 30 days to get a new visa or leave the country. PR != Citizenship in any shape or form.
        jlokier 7y ago
        > PR != Citizenship in any shape or form. Regular administrative renewal, yes, but aside from that, I guess my complaint is that PR should resemble citizenship better, in matters of justice and in other matters. People live in PR status for an extraordinarily long time. Decades. Sometimes their whole life after obtaining it. Nobody should be have to live their lives in "second-class person, second-class justice" mode for such a long time wihout being able to lay down roots. It's not good for individuals and it's not good for society, and it's not right. The same applies to partners or spouses of citizens. Generally if you're an immigrant partner or spouse of a citizen, you live a second-class life, with second-class justice and second-class healthcare, because you know everythig you have can be taken away by one bad domestic argument. All it takes is uncertainty about a breakdown of the relationship for you to be remainded that you can lose just arout everything you have and value in life. So suck it up and be a good wife/husband, now fetch me my dinner etc. There should at least be reasonable time limits on such second-class status, purely on moral and natural justice grounds.
        philliphaydon 7y ago
        There is alot of negativity towards PR in Singapore because Citizens often feel that PR get too many benefits that they never feel the need or want to give up their own citizenship in favor of Singapore citizenship. Alot of the benefits of PR have been taken away or reduced over the last 8 years that i've lived here.
    - paxys 7y ago
      Would you also support revoking someone's citizenship because "rules are rules"?
    - scollet 7y ago
      Using the stick is usually a signal that the carrot is not big enough or doesn't exist.
      - lazylizard 7y ago
        In mandarin... Kill one to warn hundred
        knolax 7y ago
        In English: Every quote you hear on the internet is false. ---Abe Lincoln.
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  - refurb 7y ago
    Permanent residence, basically the same as a US green card. Allows you to live there permanently. Limited number are available in Singapore, so not easy to get.
- ValentineC 7y ago
  Not only was the person's Permanent Residency revoked, but he was barred from re-entering Singapore even as a tourist: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-coronavirus-pr-stay-home-notice-barred-12471954 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-coron...
daveFNbuck 7y ago
They send people door to door to interact face-to-face with known carriers? That sounds like a bad idea.
- dylz 7y ago
  They have PPE, if anything more PPE than hospitals in the US, and carriers should have surgical masks on.
  - daveFNbuck 7y ago
    That protects them, but they're still spreading the virus door to door.

refurb 7y ago

There was a Chinese person in Singapore who had PR and refused to follow the quarantine order. They took away his PR status.

cma 7y ago
PR?
- bilal4hmed 7y ago
  Permanent Residence thats good. Rules are rules, especially in these times.
  - jlokier 7y ago
    That's terrible. PR is supposed to be "more or less a citizen, now stay for long enough and you can become a citizen". Not "we'll call it permanent but it doesn't mean anything". Rules means justice and enforcement too. You're not supposed to have a different justice system for people on PR than for citizens. They should have jailed the person, if that's what they do to citizens, or done whatever else they do to citizens who break the rules.
    - pcr0 7y ago
      Singapore's justice system is geared towards making extreme examples over fairness.
    - philliphaydon 7y ago
      Not at all. You still need to renew your PR status over time. It's only permanent in the sense that if you are free to live in the country without needing to be sponsored by someone (company or individual). It's still a visa at the end of the day. If you're on an EP / WP which is then cancelled you have 30 days to get a new visa or leave the country. PR != Citizenship in any shape or form.
      - jlokier 7y ago
        > PR != Citizenship in any shape or form. Regular administrative renewal, yes, but aside from that, I guess my complaint is that PR should resemble citizenship better, in matters of justice and in other matters. People live in PR status for an extraordinarily long time. Decades. Sometimes their whole life after obtaining it. Nobody should be have to live their lives in "second-class person, second-class justice" mode for such a long time wihout being able to lay down roots. It's not good for individuals and it's not good for society, and it's not right. The same applies to partners or spouses of citizens. Generally if you're an immigrant partner or spouse of a citizen, you live a second-class life, with second-class justice and second-class healthcare, because you know everythig you have can be taken away by one bad domestic argument. All it takes is uncertainty about a breakdown of the relationship for you to be remainded that you can lose just arout everything you have and value in life. So suck it up and be a good wife/husband, now fetch me my dinner etc. There should at least be reasonable time limits on such second-class status, purely on moral and natural justice grounds.
        philliphaydon 7y ago
        There is alot of negativity towards PR in Singapore because Citizens often feel that PR get too many benefits that they never feel the need or want to give up their own citizenship in favor of Singapore citizenship. Alot of the benefits of PR have been taken away or reduced over the last 8 years that i've lived here.
  - paxys 7y ago
    Would you also support revoking someone's citizenship because "rules are rules"?
  - scollet 7y ago
    Using the stick is usually a signal that the carrot is not big enough or doesn't exist.
    - lazylizard 7y ago
      In mandarin... Kill one to warn hundred
      - knolax 7y ago
        In English: Every quote you hear on the internet is false. ---Abe Lincoln.
- deleted 7y ago
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- refurb 7y ago
  Permanent residence, basically the same as a US green card. Allows you to live there permanently. Limited number are available in Singapore, so not easy to get.
ValentineC 7y ago
Not only was the person's Permanent Residency revoked, but he was barred from re-entering Singapore even as a tourist: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-coronavirus-pr-stay-home-notice-barred-12471954 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-coron...

daveFNbuck 7y ago

They send people door to door to interact face-to-face with known carriers? That sounds like a bad idea.

dylz 7y ago
They have PPE, if anything more PPE than hospitals in the US, and carriers should have surgical masks on.
- daveFNbuck 7y ago
  That protects them, but they're still spreading the virus door to door.