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Keep going: he responds to feedback.

mynameishere 19y ago
And then he needs to stop using the "My First Webpage" style of links, "Click here", "Click here", "Click here". And then he needs to demote "(Note: No warranties nor liability, express or implied)." from being a banner headline. And then he needs to... http://juwo.com/nodepad/demos/boss/dentist.html http://juwo.com/nodepad/demos/boss/dentist.html Oh, dear lord.
- martin 19y ago
  And perhaps remove the religious info from the "Company" page (http://juwo.com/company.html) http://juwo.com/company.html) -- it strikes me as unprofessional and out of place. You're entitled to your beliefs, but I can't see what you have to gain by advertising them on your corporate home page. Religion is a sensitive topic, and getting people to use your software is hard enough without offending them first.
  - akkartik 19y ago
    I must confess, I am jealous that juwo is getting so much better feedback than I am :) http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=22129 http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=22129
    - dpapathanasiou 19y ago
      It's the effect Kathy Sierra described: http://headrush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/loveandhate_7.jpg http://headrush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/loveandhate_7.jpg
      - juwo 19y ago
        please see my reply above - to rms. comparing veotag with juwo.
    - juwo 19y ago
      karthik, please dont hijack this thread!
  - juwo 19y ago
  - juwo 19y ago
    I promised God that when I started working on juwo it would be used for His glory and for my profit, and He gave me the subsequent ideas to make it stronger. So I am going to keep my end of the deal.
- juwo 19y ago
  Did you actually play the demo? Why hasnt anyone actually played the demos? Everyone is simply commenting on the website.
  - dpapathanasiou 19y ago
    The demo needs to be simpler to access. People are just not going to go through download/installation/browser configuration hoops. So you've got to figure out how to make the demos run without "Java 1.5.X" (but not 1.6) on "Windows XP", using "only Windows Media Player". That requirement list is just too restrictive.
    - juwo 19y ago
      I agree. Is the solution to rewrite it in Apollo Flash? (There may be the same problems that Java Web Start has had).
  - mynameishere 19y ago
    Listen, I've probably spent more time looking at your website than 99 percent of the people who've clicked on it. Try to understand this: _I still haven't the first clue what it is you're selling_ Okay? The reason no one is playing with the demos is because the website itself is like unto cerberus the dog of hell, protecting the product from all who draw near. Have ONE main webpage. Have this contain: 2-3 sentences that explain what the product does, and a use case. Example: "auto-ebay-1000 is a tool to automate routine tasks performed by ebay sellers. If you have 50 items to sell, auto-ebay-1000 can upload them to ebay, track them, and alert you to bids" Then have three links: 1) screen shots 2) Demo 3) How to buy Look at a quasi use case that you have: Do you feel, Thoughts and ideas come to me at awkward times, unexpected places and not in neat order. I really wish there was an easier way for me to capture them". ...okay. The solution to that "problem" is: Pen and paper. Or a voice recorder. Is Juwo a voice recorder? Okay, fine: But an "unexpected place" is presumably one where I'm not at my computer. See? Your use case doesn't fit.
    - juwo 19y ago
      The problem is, juwo is a new concept. Also it can do about 5-8 different things. So there are about 13 use cases with demos listed. How can I simplify further? I have tried my best. I would like to discuss further your points. 0) Do you see the links to the screenshots? I didnt want to list them in the main page because that's another 300K in 3 images. Plus they take up a lot of space. 1) Pen and paper "There are problems with voice recorder, writing, and typing" ( http://juwo.com/details.html#Record) http://juwo.com/details.html#Record) problem with writing? you cant get it into the computer. "Your use case doesn't fit" When juwo is ported to a PDA, it will.
- npk 19y ago
  See, juwo, I + another YC user + the friggin w3 organization say the same thing: http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=17339 http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=17339 & parents of this link, plus many more.
  - juwo 19y ago
    Ok, you win. I shall change the "Click here" for the demos to Download and Run

And then he needs to stop using the "My First Webpage" style of links, "Click here", "Click here", "Click here". And then he needs to demote "(Note: No warranties nor liability, express or implied)." from being a banner headline. And then he needs to... http://juwo.com/nodepad/demos/boss/dentist.html http://juwo.com/nodepad/demos/boss/dentist.html Oh, dear lord.

martin 19y ago
And perhaps remove the religious info from the "Company" page (http://juwo.com/company.html) http://juwo.com/company.html) -- it strikes me as unprofessional and out of place. You're entitled to your beliefs, but I can't see what you have to gain by advertising them on your corporate home page. Religion is a sensitive topic, and getting people to use your software is hard enough without offending them first.
- akkartik 19y ago
  I must confess, I am jealous that juwo is getting so much better feedback than I am :) http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=22129 http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=22129
  - dpapathanasiou 19y ago
    It's the effect Kathy Sierra described: http://headrush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/loveandhate_7.jpg http://headrush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/loveandhate_7.jpg
    - juwo 19y ago
      please see my reply above - to rms. comparing veotag with juwo.
  - juwo 19y ago
    karthik, please dont hijack this thread!
- juwo 19y ago
- juwo 19y ago
  I promised God that when I started working on juwo it would be used for His glory and for my profit, and He gave me the subsequent ideas to make it stronger. So I am going to keep my end of the deal.
juwo 19y ago
Did you actually play the demo? Why hasnt anyone actually played the demos? Everyone is simply commenting on the website.
- dpapathanasiou 19y ago
  The demo needs to be simpler to access. People are just not going to go through download/installation/browser configuration hoops. So you've got to figure out how to make the demos run without "Java 1.5.X" (but not 1.6) on "Windows XP", using "only Windows Media Player". That requirement list is just too restrictive.
  - juwo 19y ago
    I agree. Is the solution to rewrite it in Apollo Flash? (There may be the same problems that Java Web Start has had).
- mynameishere 19y ago
  Listen, I've probably spent more time looking at your website than 99 percent of the people who've clicked on it. Try to understand this: _I still haven't the first clue what it is you're selling_ Okay? The reason no one is playing with the demos is because the website itself is like unto cerberus the dog of hell, protecting the product from all who draw near. Have ONE main webpage. Have this contain: 2-3 sentences that explain what the product does, and a use case. Example: "auto-ebay-1000 is a tool to automate routine tasks performed by ebay sellers. If you have 50 items to sell, auto-ebay-1000 can upload them to ebay, track them, and alert you to bids" Then have three links: 1) screen shots 2) Demo 3) How to buy Look at a quasi use case that you have: Do you feel, Thoughts and ideas come to me at awkward times, unexpected places and not in neat order. I really wish there was an easier way for me to capture them". ...okay. The solution to that "problem" is: Pen and paper. Or a voice recorder. Is Juwo a voice recorder? Okay, fine: But an "unexpected place" is presumably one where I'm not at my computer. See? Your use case doesn't fit.
  - juwo 19y ago
    The problem is, juwo is a new concept. Also it can do about 5-8 different things. So there are about 13 use cases with demos listed. How can I simplify further? I have tried my best. I would like to discuss further your points. 0) Do you see the links to the screenshots? I didnt want to list them in the main page because that's another 300K in 3 images. Plus they take up a lot of space. 1) Pen and paper "There are problems with voice recorder, writing, and typing" ( http://juwo.com/details.html#Record) http://juwo.com/details.html#Record) problem with writing? you cant get it into the computer. "Your use case doesn't fit" When juwo is ported to a PDA, it will.
npk 19y ago
See, juwo, I + another YC user + the friggin w3 organization say the same thing: http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=17339 http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=17339 & parents of this link, plus many more.
- juwo 19y ago
  Ok, you win. I shall change the "Click here" for the demos to Download and Run