The biggest missing factor in sim drifting versus real drifting, which I suspect is part of the issue in rally too, is not being able to detect that moment just

The biggest missing factor in sim drifting versus real drifting, which I suspect is part of the issue in rally too, is not being able to detect that moment just before countersteer is required, as you can't feel when the rear of the car starts coming around. It means you have to preempt from experience when it happens rather than actually feeling it. With practice people get good at it, but sim drifters will often end up over rotating in a real car at first. They tend to hold onto the wheel too long while letting the rear of the car come around. For what it's worth, my real car pivots pretty much where my seat is positioned, it feels surreal sometimes, ironically like I am in a video game.