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You forgot to say why Google would be a bigger threat than Microsoft, which is annoying given the person you are responding to clearly listed the reasons why Mi

by rixed 7y ago

You forgot to say why Google would be a bigger threat than Microsoft, which is annoying given the person you are responding to clearly listed the reasons why Microsoft is actually collecting more informations than Google. Also, Microsoft has a much worse historical record than Google regarding protecting their users. For instance, at a time when Microsoft was happyly complying to every rules required to be allowed to do business in China, Google decided to not comply and close its offices in that country, all in the name of privacy. So yes, bashing Google in the comment section of an article about Microsoft Edge misbehavior certainly sounds like the whims of fashion, if not of organised business propaganda. edit: beating Android keyboard to oblivion

ksk 7y ago
Microsoft will make tons of money without spying on users and setting up "anonymous" profiles of peoples personal tastes, behavior, buying patterns, and other personal information. Google will make significantly less money if they don't spy on users. Its not about Google, its the domain itself. Advertising is a scummy business. Google brags about their advertising targeting capabilities, which simply cannot exist without spying on users. It beats me why anyone would think an advertising company would be pro-privacy. Their goal is to setup a toll booth on the internet by inserting themselves between the user and the content they want to actually get to. I'm waiting for Google to buy all the display companies and show a perma ad-box on the monitor itself. (haha.. I hope I didn't give t hem any ideas.. maybe I shouldn't even be making the joke.. :P )
- dylan604 7y ago
  >Microsoft will make tons of money without spying on users, and they will make even more money by spying on users and selling that data. EvilCorp is not known for leaving money on the table. Google chooses to give away their products to lure people into using them. M$ has the luxury of having the users pay money for their products while also giving up the same data.
sjwright 7y ago
> You forgot to say why Google would be a bigger threat than Microsoft Microsoft wants you to use their spreadsheet software. Google is a significant gatekeeper to information which influences what we know and the opinions we form. And that information is increasingly first party, e.g. YouTube, the Play Store.
- dntbnmpls 7y ago
  > Microsoft wants you to use their spreadsheet software. ... and windows OS, visual studio, sql server, azure, linkedin, github, bing, skype, etc which all collects data on you. Also, I love that you dismissed their office suite as just "spreadsheet software". It's only the world's ubiquitous office suite used everywhere in the world.
  - nothrabannosir 7y ago
    The idea behind that comment seems to have been: "MS has a known motive: they want to sell you software and make money. This is a business model I understand, and can deal with being on the other end of." The same argument is used in iOS vs Android debates: why isn't it the same shit, different smell? Because Apple sells you hardware, and Google sells You. The glib terseness of the comment is a metaphor for the relative harmlessness of the business model. Not indicative of the actual product selection or annual revenue. I think, anyway...?
    - dntbnmpls 7y ago
      > MS has a known motive: they want to sell you software and make money. And the idea behind my comment was : They also want to sell you. Bing, linkedin, github, etc aren't selling you software. Also, windows OS has ads now. https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-window... > Because Apple sells you hardware, and Google sells You. Apple also sells you. They sell you to music, movie, etc industry in order for the industry to support apple's platform. > The glib terseness of the comment is a metaphor for the relative harmlessness of the business model. Which I showed was wrong. It's insane the amount of microsoft and apple support on a tech platform. I guess all the money that microsoft/gates spent on PR truly worked. > I think, anyway...? I don't think you thought things through too well... Your argument was basically google sells chromebook/hardware so everything else they do is fine.
monadic2 7y ago
> Also, Microsoft has a much worse historical record than Google regarding protecting their users. Google literally forces you into ad transactions. Their entire business model is based around coercing users into giving up their attention to businesses without your consent. This includes critical services such as youtube premium which is $15(!) to just remove the fucking ads. They don’t even offer this for their other services. So no, I can trust google as far as I can throw them.

by rixed 7y ago

ksk 7y ago

Microsoft will make tons of money without spying on users and setting up "anonymous" profiles of peoples personal tastes, behavior, buying patterns, and other personal information. Google will make significantly less money if they don't spy on users. Its not about Google, its the domain itself. Advertising is a scummy business. Google brags about their advertising targeting capabilities, which simply cannot exist without spying on users. It beats me why anyone would think an advertising company would be pro-privacy. Their goal is to setup a toll booth on the internet by inserting themselves between the user and the content they want to actually get to. I'm waiting for Google to buy all the display companies and show a perma ad-box on the monitor itself. (haha.. I hope I didn't give t hem any ideas.. maybe I shouldn't even be making the joke.. :P )

dylan604 7y ago
>Microsoft will make tons of money without spying on users, and they will make even more money by spying on users and selling that data. EvilCorp is not known for leaving money on the table. Google chooses to give away their products to lure people into using them. M$ has the luxury of having the users pay money for their products while also giving up the same data.

sjwright 7y ago

> You forgot to say why Google would be a bigger threat than Microsoft Microsoft wants you to use their spreadsheet software. Google is a significant gatekeeper to information which influences what we know and the opinions we form. And that information is increasingly first party, e.g. YouTube, the Play Store.

dntbnmpls 7y ago
> Microsoft wants you to use their spreadsheet software. ... and windows OS, visual studio, sql server, azure, linkedin, github, bing, skype, etc which all collects data on you. Also, I love that you dismissed their office suite as just "spreadsheet software". It's only the world's ubiquitous office suite used everywhere in the world.
- nothrabannosir 7y ago
  The idea behind that comment seems to have been: "MS has a known motive: they want to sell you software and make money. This is a business model I understand, and can deal with being on the other end of." The same argument is used in iOS vs Android debates: why isn't it the same shit, different smell? Because Apple sells you hardware, and Google sells You. The glib terseness of the comment is a metaphor for the relative harmlessness of the business model. Not indicative of the actual product selection or annual revenue. I think, anyway...?
  - dntbnmpls 7y ago
    > MS has a known motive: they want to sell you software and make money. And the idea behind my comment was : They also want to sell you. Bing, linkedin, github, etc aren't selling you software. Also, windows OS has ads now. https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-window... > Because Apple sells you hardware, and Google sells You. Apple also sells you. They sell you to music, movie, etc industry in order for the industry to support apple's platform. > The glib terseness of the comment is a metaphor for the relative harmlessness of the business model. Which I showed was wrong. It's insane the amount of microsoft and apple support on a tech platform. I guess all the money that microsoft/gates spent on PR truly worked. > I think, anyway...? I don't think you thought things through too well... Your argument was basically google sells chromebook/hardware so everything else they do is fine.

monadic2 7y ago

> Also, Microsoft has a much worse historical record than Google regarding protecting their users. Google literally forces you into ad transactions. Their entire business model is based around coercing users into giving up their attention to businesses without your consent. This includes critical services such as youtube premium which is $15(!) to just remove the fucking ads. They don’t even offer this for their other services. So no, I can trust google as far as I can throw them.