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> Make "open" consumer devices So Macs are out of question... Can't be signed can they? What if we get a commercial license? Apple disallowes GPL... Can't su

> Make "open" consumer devices So Macs are out of question... Can't be signed can they? What if we get a commercial license? Apple disallowes GPL... Can't support GTK either, Expat Licensed GUI alternatives please...(I suggest Godot but it comes with a bit of pain and some baggage as well) There are also other corner cases that they might want to cover, with more documentation.(Not sure if I have missed something) If anyone has more info pls do share it. :)

yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
LGPL != GPL
jcelerier 7y ago
> So Macs are out of question... Can't be signed can they? ... you know that even Apple ships some GPL software on every Mac right ? GPL is 100% fine mac hardware. There are even GPL apps on the appstore. Signing does not prevent you to upload a new version of the app to your own device.
- justinclift 7y ago
  > There are even GPL apps on the appstore. Are you sure they're GPL? Maybe they're dual-licensed, and the Apple app store is using "the other licence"?
  - jcelerier 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_iOS_applications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_i...
    - justinclift 7y ago
      Interesting. Event though some of the repos listed didn't seem to have licensing info in any obvious place, several of the GPL* ones did. Seem you're right. :) Am very surprised, after reports a while back of GPL (etc) apps not being approved. Hopefully they continue to be approved (etc). :)
      - jcelerier 7y ago
        > Am very surprised, after reports a while back of GPL (etc) apps not being approved. it was an issue until Xcode 7 : prior to that you had to pay 99$ to Apple for the right of uploading something to your own iDevice. Since Xcode 7 this is not necessary anymore.
- guug 7y ago
  > Apple ships some GPL software on every Mac right [..] re are even GPL apps on the appstore. To my knowlage and IANAL, this is only possible with older pre-v3 licenses. v3 licenses specifically prohibit tevoisation, something that Apple's App store TOS effectively mandates by placing restrictions on what App users are allowed to do. I believe this is why apple doesn't ship recent versions of Bash. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
  - jcelerier 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_iOS_applications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_i... there are no issues with modifying, recompiling a GPLv3 app and uploading & running it on your own iPhone, iPad or Mac - it's not tivoization.
    - guug 7y ago
      I believe there are issues and serious ones at that. The lawyers at the FSF seem to agree: * https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance * https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-sto...
      - jcelerier 7y ago
        Those articles are super old and don't apply anymore - the terms of the app store have changed almost 5 years ago (those articles are 10 years old)
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        guug 7y ago
        Can you please provide a source?
- michaelmrose 7y ago
  While users are still allowed to run software of their choosing on the Mac I would think it would be perfectly acceptable to provide software that could be built and run outside of the mac app store. If I'm mistaken please clarify.
- minraws 7y ago
  Only works if you are the sole copyright holder, and not using code from someone else. > https://github.com/peter-iakovlev/Telegram/issues/157 https://github.com/peter-iakovlev/Telegram/issues/157 > http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge/ http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge/ > https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/06/04/why-does-macos-catalina-use-zsh-instead-of-bash-licensing/ https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/06/04/why-does-macos-catalina...

yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago

LGPL != GPL

jcelerier 7y ago

> So Macs are out of question... Can't be signed can they? ... you know that even Apple ships some GPL software on every Mac right ? GPL is 100% fine mac hardware. There are even GPL apps on the appstore. Signing does not prevent you to upload a new version of the app to your own device.

justinclift 7y ago
> There are even GPL apps on the appstore. Are you sure they're GPL? Maybe they're dual-licensed, and the Apple app store is using "the other licence"?
- jcelerier 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_iOS_applications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_i...
  - justinclift 7y ago
    Interesting. Event though some of the repos listed didn't seem to have licensing info in any obvious place, several of the GPL* ones did. Seem you're right. :) Am very surprised, after reports a while back of GPL (etc) apps not being approved. Hopefully they continue to be approved (etc). :)
    - jcelerier 7y ago
      > Am very surprised, after reports a while back of GPL (etc) apps not being approved. it was an issue until Xcode 7 : prior to that you had to pay 99$ to Apple for the right of uploading something to your own iDevice. Since Xcode 7 this is not necessary anymore.
guug 7y ago
> Apple ships some GPL software on every Mac right [..] re are even GPL apps on the appstore. To my knowlage and IANAL, this is only possible with older pre-v3 licenses. v3 licenses specifically prohibit tevoisation, something that Apple's App store TOS effectively mandates by placing restrictions on what App users are allowed to do. I believe this is why apple doesn't ship recent versions of Bash. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
- jcelerier 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_iOS_applications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_i... there are no issues with modifying, recompiling a GPLv3 app and uploading & running it on your own iPhone, iPad or Mac - it's not tivoization.
  - guug 7y ago
    I believe there are issues and serious ones at that. The lawyers at the FSF seem to agree: * https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance * https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store https://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-sto...
    - jcelerier 7y ago
      Those articles are super old and don't apply anymore - the terms of the app store have changed almost 5 years ago (those articles are 10 years old)
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - guug 7y ago
        Can you please provide a source?
michaelmrose 7y ago
While users are still allowed to run software of their choosing on the Mac I would think it would be perfectly acceptable to provide software that could be built and run outside of the mac app store. If I'm mistaken please clarify.
minraws 7y ago
Only works if you are the sole copyright holder, and not using code from someone else. > https://github.com/peter-iakovlev/Telegram/issues/157 https://github.com/peter-iakovlev/Telegram/issues/157 > http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge/ http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge/ > https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/06/04/why-does-macos-catalina-use-zsh-instead-of-bash-licensing/ https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/06/04/why-does-macos-catalina...