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I am currently sitting in my room across the street from a church that is in full swing, 100+ people singing together in a single room. I don’t live in the midd

I am currently sitting in my room across the street from a church that is in full swing, 100+ people singing together in a single room. I don’t live in the middle of nowhere, I am in Oakland CA. We have many confirmed cases and have been getting quarantine and stay in place messages for the last 9ish days? It is totally baffling, do people really need military and police intervention to force them to not get a deadly virus?

lalaland1125 7y ago
Please send a message to the police with details. (510) 777-3333 is the correct non emergency number for Oakland.
neurologic 7y ago
It looks this way, which means that military and police intervention is what we'll get.
lisper 7y ago
Some people genuinely believe that God will protect them. I have no idea how to get through to such people, but if you happen to have an opportunity to engage with someone like that here's an experiment that I would love to see someone try: tell them to read Exodus 12:29 and suggest that maybe this time we are Egypt.
- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  Churches have closed during other pandemics. Maybe use those incidents as examples so they know it is ok to close down while also not feeling like they're showing a lack of faith. When I checked the webpage of the Catholic diocese I'm located it, it mentioned that Catholics have been released from their obligation to attend mass and this has happened before. Hopefully other churches will have the same attitude.
  - exegete 7y ago
    I think most have the right attitude. I’m in the NYC area and most had closed even before any official request or order. Although there are always some members who don’t get it. I was actually able to get our church to use Zoom for the time being until we can meet in person again.
- deleted 7y ago
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- hanniabu 7y ago
  > Some people genuinely believe that God will protect them. This has been my observation too, and when something gets it they say it's meant to be.
  - kshacker 7y ago
    God is preparing yet another lecture of "survival of the fittest".
- Igelau 7y ago
  That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Who are the Israelites in the metaphor?
  - lisper 7y ago
    I would say it's the people listening to the scientists and staying home.
- Riseed 7y ago
  > Some people genuinely believe that God will protect them. I worry this kind of "faith" blinds many to the way their God may be protecting them. https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-god/the-drowning-man https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-god/the-drowning-man
- subsaharancoder 7y ago
  Eisegesis Alert!! A more suitable bible text would be Romans 13:1-3, which makes it clear that everyone is subject to governing authorities. Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
- fyfy18 7y ago
  At least in my country - which I'd say has a larger percentage of religious people than the US - churches were forced to close over a week ago. They've now moved to hosting events online and TV for older generations. It's not religion that's causing this, it's stupidity.
LandR 7y ago
My parents are still going out and about, at least us closing all bars and restaurants might help a bit. There argument is everyone else is still going out and living normally, And so they aren't going to stop going out if no one else is... I dont know how to he through to them.
temptemptemp111 7y ago
Wow pathetic. Covid-19 is 100% fake and you're now rating our your neighbor to the Stasi. And you'll beg for your vaccine like a sheep for your "herd immunity." The least educated people on earth concentrate on HN.
trhway 7y ago
A thousands strong Moscow Orthodox affiliated Christian service (in the traditional form of a parade/walk) for the victory against coronavirus, the service happened 2 weeks ago in Ukraine, the text in Russian: https://tk.media/news/torzhestvo-pravoslaviya-v-vinnitse-sostoyalsya-mnogotysyachnyy-krestnyy-hod-chtoby-pobedit-koronavirus-foto-video-2020-03-09 https://tk.media/news/torzhestvo-pravoslaviya-v-vinnitse-sos... A traditional part of the service is usually the kissing of the image ("icona") of a Saint - the same few "icons" are kissed by those many people. This are daily "parade/walk" style services against coronavirus in Moscow. Now the priests say that they maintain social distance during the service https://novayagazeta.ru/news/2020/03/19/159936-v-moskve-nachalis-ezhednevnye-krestnye-hody-protiv-koronavirusa https://novayagazeta.ru/news/2020/03/19/159936-v-moskve-nach... . Starting March 17 the procedure of kissing of the same Cross by everybody present at the service is cancelled. Seems to be a progress .
burtonator 7y ago
These people think going to church will prevent them from getting the virus. COVID19 cuts through bullshit like this like a hot knife through butter.
avip 7y ago
Well you wouldn't want to "offend" them, right? Seems the answer to your closing questions is YES.
OhSoHumble 7y ago
My roommate works at Target. A middle-aged woman came in as a customer and asked for help. He and another coworker of his helped her around the store. When they finally got the pharmacy she mentioned that she was a confirmed case of Corona and that she was doing last minute shopping before she went into self-quarantine. He was immediately sent home by his boss as well as anyone else she had come into contact with. I honestly want people who are confirmed infected to face legal repercussions for going to populated areas.
- uxcolumbo 7y ago
  Italy has harsh legal repercussions https://nationalpost.com/news/world/intentional-murder-careless-covid-19-spreaders-in-italy-could-face-homicide-charges https://nationalpost.com/news/world/intentional-murder-carel...
- divbzero 7y ago
  A friend and his girlfriend in California went for a jog together and were fined $400 for being within 6 feet of each other. I wish this level of discipline were more widespread.
  - yhoneycomb 7y ago
    incels rise up
  - godelski 7y ago
    This might be too much, considering these two people are going to be in contact. I'd rather the focus on strangers. Like if you are jogging and just come up right behind someone instead of keeping your distance while passing. Also, $400 sounds a little steep.
    - divbzero 7y ago
      It seemed steep to me as well, but I’d prefer us to err in this direction vs. permitting gatherings of 100+.
skybrian 7y ago
I think the answer is yes, someone with authority needs to show up and tell them to go home. I doubt they'd fight it. In some places, a sign and a sawhorse blocking the parking lot entrance might do it?
s0rce 7y ago
Crazy, can't believe that is still going on (also in Oakland, CA!)
dntbnmpls 7y ago
> It is totally baffling, do people really need military and police intervention to force them to not get a deadly virus? It's insane how quickly people veer toward authoritarianism. Just a little bit of fear and the fearful demand everyone follow orders and be good little drones. I'm sure those people really appreciated your paternalism and your spying on them.

lalaland1125 7y ago

Please send a message to the police with details. (510) 777-3333 is the correct non emergency number for Oakland.

neurologic 7y ago

It looks this way, which means that military and police intervention is what we'll get.

lisper 7y ago

Some people genuinely believe that God will protect them. I have no idea how to get through to such people, but if you happen to have an opportunity to engage with someone like that here's an experiment that I would love to see someone try: tell them to read Exodus 12:29 and suggest that maybe this time we are Egypt.

Mountain_Skies 7y ago
Churches have closed during other pandemics. Maybe use those incidents as examples so they know it is ok to close down while also not feeling like they're showing a lack of faith. When I checked the webpage of the Catholic diocese I'm located it, it mentioned that Catholics have been released from their obligation to attend mass and this has happened before. Hopefully other churches will have the same attitude.
- exegete 7y ago
  I think most have the right attitude. I’m in the NYC area and most had closed even before any official request or order. Although there are always some members who don’t get it. I was actually able to get our church to use Zoom for the time being until we can meet in person again.
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hanniabu 7y ago
> Some people genuinely believe that God will protect them. This has been my observation too, and when something gets it they say it's meant to be.
- kshacker 7y ago
  God is preparing yet another lecture of "survival of the fittest".
Igelau 7y ago
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Who are the Israelites in the metaphor?
- lisper 7y ago
  I would say it's the people listening to the scientists and staying home.
Riseed 7y ago
> Some people genuinely believe that God will protect them. I worry this kind of "faith" blinds many to the way their God may be protecting them. https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-god/the-drowning-man https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-god/the-drowning-man
subsaharancoder 7y ago
Eisegesis Alert!! A more suitable bible text would be Romans 13:1-3, which makes it clear that everyone is subject to governing authorities. Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
fyfy18 7y ago
At least in my country - which I'd say has a larger percentage of religious people than the US - churches were forced to close over a week ago. They've now moved to hosting events online and TV for older generations. It's not religion that's causing this, it's stupidity.

LandR 7y ago

My parents are still going out and about, at least us closing all bars and restaurants might help a bit. There argument is everyone else is still going out and living normally, And so they aren't going to stop going out if no one else is... I dont know how to he through to them.

temptemptemp111 7y ago

Wow pathetic. Covid-19 is 100% fake and you're now rating our your neighbor to the Stasi. And you'll beg for your vaccine like a sheep for your "herd immunity." The least educated people on earth concentrate on HN.

trhway 7y ago

A thousands strong Moscow Orthodox affiliated Christian service (in the traditional form of a parade/walk) for the victory against coronavirus, the service happened 2 weeks ago in Ukraine, the text in Russian: https://tk.media/news/torzhestvo-pravoslaviya-v-vinnitse-sostoyalsya-mnogotysyachnyy-krestnyy-hod-chtoby-pobedit-koronavirus-foto-video-2020-03-09 https://tk.media/news/torzhestvo-pravoslaviya-v-vinnitse-sos... A traditional part of the service is usually the kissing of the image ("icona") of a Saint - the same few "icons" are kissed by those many people. This are daily "parade/walk" style services against coronavirus in Moscow. Now the priests say that they maintain social distance during the service https://novayagazeta.ru/news/2020/03/19/159936-v-moskve-nachalis-ezhednevnye-krestnye-hody-protiv-koronavirusa https://novayagazeta.ru/news/2020/03/19/159936-v-moskve-nach... . Starting March 17 the procedure of kissing of the same Cross by everybody present at the service is cancelled. Seems to be a progress .

burtonator 7y ago

These people think going to church will prevent them from getting the virus. COVID19 cuts through bullshit like this like a hot knife through butter.

avip 7y ago

Well you wouldn't want to "offend" them, right? Seems the answer to your closing questions is YES.

OhSoHumble 7y ago

My roommate works at Target. A middle-aged woman came in as a customer and asked for help. He and another coworker of his helped her around the store. When they finally got the pharmacy she mentioned that she was a confirmed case of Corona and that she was doing last minute shopping before she went into self-quarantine. He was immediately sent home by his boss as well as anyone else she had come into contact with. I honestly want people who are confirmed infected to face legal repercussions for going to populated areas.

uxcolumbo 7y ago
Italy has harsh legal repercussions https://nationalpost.com/news/world/intentional-murder-careless-covid-19-spreaders-in-italy-could-face-homicide-charges https://nationalpost.com/news/world/intentional-murder-carel...
divbzero 7y ago
A friend and his girlfriend in California went for a jog together and were fined $400 for being within 6 feet of each other. I wish this level of discipline were more widespread.
- yhoneycomb 7y ago
  incels rise up
- godelski 7y ago
  This might be too much, considering these two people are going to be in contact. I'd rather the focus on strangers. Like if you are jogging and just come up right behind someone instead of keeping your distance while passing. Also, $400 sounds a little steep.
  - divbzero 7y ago
    It seemed steep to me as well, but I’d prefer us to err in this direction vs. permitting gatherings of 100+.

skybrian 7y ago

I think the answer is yes, someone with authority needs to show up and tell them to go home. I doubt they'd fight it. In some places, a sign and a sawhorse blocking the parking lot entrance might do it?

s0rce 7y ago

Crazy, can't believe that is still going on (also in Oakland, CA!)

dntbnmpls 7y ago

> It is totally baffling, do people really need military and police intervention to force them to not get a deadly virus? It's insane how quickly people veer toward authoritarianism. Just a little bit of fear and the fearful demand everyone follow orders and be good little drones. I'm sure those people really appreciated your paternalism and your spying on them.