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>>As far as I am aware... Doesn't really matter what you are aware or not. USA and the major countries have thousands of people that do just that, monitor epid

>>As far as I am aware... Doesn't really matter what you are aware or not. USA and the major countries have thousands of people that do just that, monitor epidemics. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/index.html That's their job and they have ways to notify leadership. Other look out for steroids, others for hackers hacking power plants, others look out for terror threats and so on. It turns out that out intel services knew about this and its potential since January but civilian leader more or less ignored it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intellig...

jacquesm 7y ago
> It turns out that out intel services knew about this and its potential since January I would hope they knew about it since January because I knew about it since January and likely so did you. And since the beginning of February I've been warning people in ever more concrete terms. Here it was, right here on HN in January: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22146446 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22146446 There may be even older ones, for instance, this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22000761 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22000761 Which linked to: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51047576 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51047576 which in turn links to: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50984025 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50984025 Which is the oldest western article I've been able to find. Are there older ones?
- fragmede 7y ago
  On HN, the oldest I was able to find is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21926713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21926713 linking to https://www.dw.com/en/china-investigates-sars-like-virus-as-dozens-struck-by-pneumonia/a-51843861 https://www.dw.com/en/china-investigates-sars-like-virus-as-... from Jan 1st, which is 8 days earlier than your second link, but with only 3 points and zero comments, I'm not sure how much that counts. The BBC story that you linked to is from Jan 3rd, the AP had a story[1] on the 5th, so the public had opportunity to know about it in early January. I can't get Reddit's search to cooperate, so I can't say if there's an earlier mention there (plus Google's dates about Reddit don't agree with Reddit's). Wikipedia has an early timeline page with a lot of details.[2] Public statements were made on December 30th about pneumonia of unknown cause. If there had been a US pandemic response team, we could have started mobilizing December 30th. Hong Kong did. [1] https://apnews.com/7cfe53b9e7c7509c1f61c6c09e6fc4e6 https://apnews.com/7cfe53b9e7c7509c1f61c6c09e6fc4e6 [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_in_November_2019_%E2%80%93_January_2020#17_November_2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%932...
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    Excellent sleuthing, so even earlier.
  - gindely 7y ago
    That DW article is pretty poor, dating sars 1 to around 2009/2010 - confusing it with swine flu perhaps? A later comment, presumably from another source since the article is tagged AFP/AP/Reuters, gives a correct and more precise dating to sars 1. Yet the editor/collator didn't notice the discrepancy.

jacquesm 7y ago

> It turns out that out intel services knew about this and its potential since January I would hope they knew about it since January because I knew about it since January and likely so did you. And since the beginning of February I've been warning people in ever more concrete terms. Here it was, right here on HN in January: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22146446 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22146446 There may be even older ones, for instance, this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22000761 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22000761 Which linked to: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51047576 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51047576 which in turn links to: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50984025 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50984025 Which is the oldest western article I've been able to find. Are there older ones?

fragmede 7y ago
On HN, the oldest I was able to find is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21926713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21926713 linking to https://www.dw.com/en/china-investigates-sars-like-virus-as-dozens-struck-by-pneumonia/a-51843861 https://www.dw.com/en/china-investigates-sars-like-virus-as-... from Jan 1st, which is 8 days earlier than your second link, but with only 3 points and zero comments, I'm not sure how much that counts. The BBC story that you linked to is from Jan 3rd, the AP had a story[1] on the 5th, so the public had opportunity to know about it in early January. I can't get Reddit's search to cooperate, so I can't say if there's an earlier mention there (plus Google's dates about Reddit don't agree with Reddit's). Wikipedia has an early timeline page with a lot of details.[2] Public statements were made on December 30th about pneumonia of unknown cause. If there had been a US pandemic response team, we could have started mobilizing December 30th. Hong Kong did. [1] https://apnews.com/7cfe53b9e7c7509c1f61c6c09e6fc4e6 https://apnews.com/7cfe53b9e7c7509c1f61c6c09e6fc4e6 [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_in_November_2019_%E2%80%93_January_2020#17_November_2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%932...
- jacquesm 7y ago
  Excellent sleuthing, so even earlier.
- gindely 7y ago
  That DW article is pretty poor, dating sars 1 to around 2009/2010 - confusing it with swine flu perhaps? A later comment, presumably from another source since the article is tagged AFP/AP/Reuters, gives a correct and more precise dating to sars 1. Yet the editor/collator didn't notice the discrepancy.