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If 5000 people die a day in average before the virus and 6000 people die a day on average after the virus would you say that the death toll is 1000/day or would

If 5000 people die a day in average before the virus and 6000 people die a day on average after the virus would you say that the death toll is 1000/day or would you test all 5000 and say that any who had the virus were included in the virus death toll?

Spare_account 7y ago
Do we have these numbers to compare? How much has the overall death rate increased by?
- wjnc 7y ago
  Some countries might publish sooner, but the most comprehensive database (WHO Mortality Database) has about a three year delay (2016 as the most recent year for many countries).
- wozer 7y ago
  There is an official European organisation trying to track mortality: https://www.euromomo.eu/ https://www.euromomo.eu/ So far nothing suspicious, but they are always a few weeks behind.
  - wozer 7y ago
    Also note that you can look at subpopulations, e.g. people in Italy of age >= 65 https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html
aquadrop 7y ago
I think for the purpose of reporting it should be 5000, but those who calculate death rate should have more details. It's just reporting everyone with the virus is the only common way we can use to compare between countries.
DanBC 7y ago
Coding for death is something that statisticians do all the time. They have established, well used, processes to assign death to a particular cause. Covid-19 causes a range of severity of illness. If someone is hospitalised for covid-19 they are very unwell -- this is because hospitals are overwhelmed by the number of patients and are only admitting those who are very ill, and also because hospitals want infectious people to stay at home out of hospital as long as possible to reduce the amount of infection being spread. So, when someone with covid-19 dies in hospital it's almost certain that it's the covid-19 that killed them, even if they would have died later that year of something else.

Spare_account 7y ago

Do we have these numbers to compare? How much has the overall death rate increased by?

wjnc 7y ago
Some countries might publish sooner, but the most comprehensive database (WHO Mortality Database) has about a three year delay (2016 as the most recent year for many countries).
wozer 7y ago
There is an official European organisation trying to track mortality: https://www.euromomo.eu/ https://www.euromomo.eu/ So far nothing suspicious, but they are always a few weeks behind.
- wozer 7y ago
  Also note that you can look at subpopulations, e.g. people in Italy of age >= 65 https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html

aquadrop 7y ago

I think for the purpose of reporting it should be 5000, but those who calculate death rate should have more details. It's just reporting everyone with the virus is the only common way we can use to compare between countries.

DanBC 7y ago

Coding for death is something that statisticians do all the time. They have established, well used, processes to assign death to a particular cause. Covid-19 causes a range of severity of illness. If someone is hospitalised for covid-19 they are very unwell -- this is because hospitals are overwhelmed by the number of patients and are only admitting those who are very ill, and also because hospitals want infectious people to stay at home out of hospital as long as possible to reduce the amount of infection being spread. So, when someone with covid-19 dies in hospital it's almost certain that it's the covid-19 that killed them, even if they would have died later that year of something else.