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I gave two reasons, I'll give them here again: 1. Masks do work. Wearing a mask obviously provides a better protection than nothing for a healthy person. You

by tagrun 7y ago

I gave two reasons, I'll give them here again: 1. Masks do work. Wearing a mask obviously provides a better protection than nothing for a healthy person. You can also read a few studies https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/003335491012500206 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/003335491012500206 https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/744899/facemasks-hand-hygiene-prevent-influenza-transmission-households-cluster-randomized-trial https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/744899/facemasks-hand-hyg... Mask isn't a substitute for hygiene and social-distancing, it's a complementary countermeasure. 2. You don't know for sure a person is healthy right now, and asymptomatic cases are the main drivers of the contagion. The misinformation you're persistently perpetuating is that US surgeon general is right in saying > Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS! >They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk! which is not only wrong but also outright dangerous. How dangerous is this? Look at the spread rate and the number of cases in US vs Japan. Yes, there is panic buying. The Japanese government is handling the situation by managing the responsible distribution of the masks itself. Like most countries, US may not be able to meet the full demand immediately for the masks that are necessary to slow down the spread, and yes, health care workers do need them, but that can't justify giving dangerous advice and lies to public.

boomboomsubban 7y ago
>You can also read a few studies The first study only advocated wearing a mask when sick,or within three feet of someone who was sick, and concluded >there was no detectable additional benefit of hand sanitizer or face masks over targeted education on overall rates of URIs, but mask wearing was associated with reduced secondary transmission And from the second >facemasks seemed to prevent household transmission of influenza virus when implemented within 36 hours of index patient symptom onset. So both say "wear a facemask when sick or interacting with the sick." >You don't know for sure a person is healthy right now, and asymptomatic cases are the main drivers of the contagion. Asymptomatic doesn't mean healthy though. If you feel unwell in anyway a mask is a good idea. Erring on the side of caution is different than everyone always wearing one. >How dangerous is this? Look at the spread rate and the number of cases in US vs Japan. Aren't masks common in both South Korea and China?
- boomboomsubban 7y ago
  I made a mistake. I was reading about a study yesterday trying to show that stomach problems were a common symptom for people with coronavirus. This had me thinking "asymptomatic" meant showing irregular symptoms, when it is showing no symptoms. That said, if you are asymptotic you aren't coughing or sneezing, so I'm unsure of how helpful a mask would be.
  - tagrun 7y ago
    Yes, you are making a lot of mistakes. No, on the contrary, both studies encourage the use of masks. And it's totally beyond me why you're so bent on distorting the fact and trying to get that dangerous message of discouraging the use of masks. Go back the first study and read the full sentence that you conveniently cut in the middle: > In this population, there was no detectable additional benefit of hand sanitizer or face masks over targeted education on overall rates of URIs, but mask wearing was associated with reduced secondary transmission and should be encouraged during outbreak situations. See the part about secondary transmission which you deleted? Also remember that unlike in that study (which was conducted in households with a known sick patient), in reality, there are sick people (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) whom you don't know in advance that they're sick and do not wear masks --which is something you can't fix by education and instead have to implement mass quarantine because now everything could be infectious and people have to avoid everything. Second study: > In conclusion, our results suggest that hand hygiene and facemasks can reduce influenza virus transmission if implemented early after symptom onset in an index patient. And make sure you also read the word influenza, and remember that with COVID-19, the main driver is asymptomatic cases by far. Which means everyone should wear a mask. > Aren't masks common in both South Korea and China? Yes, masks are common in China and South Korea now, which is reflected in their low transmission rates: China 0.06%, South Korea: 2.0%. Compare that to 35% in US. Initial outbreaks in China and South Korea were driven by people not using masks. The spread rates plummeted after the implementation of countermeasures which include, surprise, use of masks by everyone! > That said, if you are asymptotic you aren't coughing or sneezing, so I'm unsure of how helpful a mask would be. Coughing isn't the only way people spread water droplets ---people do that just by talking. Virus is also carried in aerosol that remain in the air for longer periods. Coronavirus isn't the only thing that cause sneezing or coughing (especially in this season, so there could be people who think they just have pollen allergies while in reality they are symptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2). And regardless, it obviously is better than nothing. Yes, it's not going to be 100% effective, but even a 1% difference will be the difference between life and death for some people in your community. Really, what are you trying to achieve by pushing this nonsense? If all people in the US don't start using masks already, they won't be able to achieve the success in suppressing the spread rates seen in Japan, China, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong (all are countries where mask usage by everyone is high) within the same time frame. The growth will be stronger, there will be far more sick people and more and more fatalities. Is this what you want? If not, just stop, please, and start acting responsible as a member of your community. Please.

by tagrun 7y ago

boomboomsubban 7y ago

>You can also read a few studies The first study only advocated wearing a mask when sick,or within three feet of someone who was sick, and concluded >there was no detectable additional benefit of hand sanitizer or face masks over targeted education on overall rates of URIs, but mask wearing was associated with reduced secondary transmission And from the second >facemasks seemed to prevent household transmission of influenza virus when implemented within 36 hours of index patient symptom onset. So both say "wear a facemask when sick or interacting with the sick." >You don't know for sure a person is healthy right now, and asymptomatic cases are the main drivers of the contagion. Asymptomatic doesn't mean healthy though. If you feel unwell in anyway a mask is a good idea. Erring on the side of caution is different than everyone always wearing one. >How dangerous is this? Look at the spread rate and the number of cases in US vs Japan. Aren't masks common in both South Korea and China?

boomboomsubban 7y ago
I made a mistake. I was reading about a study yesterday trying to show that stomach problems were a common symptom for people with coronavirus. This had me thinking "asymptomatic" meant showing irregular symptoms, when it is showing no symptoms. That said, if you are asymptotic you aren't coughing or sneezing, so I'm unsure of how helpful a mask would be.
- tagrun 7y ago
  Yes, you are making a lot of mistakes. No, on the contrary, both studies encourage the use of masks. And it's totally beyond me why you're so bent on distorting the fact and trying to get that dangerous message of discouraging the use of masks. Go back the first study and read the full sentence that you conveniently cut in the middle: > In this population, there was no detectable additional benefit of hand sanitizer or face masks over targeted education on overall rates of URIs, but mask wearing was associated with reduced secondary transmission and should be encouraged during outbreak situations. See the part about secondary transmission which you deleted? Also remember that unlike in that study (which was conducted in households with a known sick patient), in reality, there are sick people (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) whom you don't know in advance that they're sick and do not wear masks --which is something you can't fix by education and instead have to implement mass quarantine because now everything could be infectious and people have to avoid everything. Second study: > In conclusion, our results suggest that hand hygiene and facemasks can reduce influenza virus transmission if implemented early after symptom onset in an index patient. And make sure you also read the word influenza, and remember that with COVID-19, the main driver is asymptomatic cases by far. Which means everyone should wear a mask. > Aren't masks common in both South Korea and China? Yes, masks are common in China and South Korea now, which is reflected in their low transmission rates: China 0.06%, South Korea: 2.0%. Compare that to 35% in US. Initial outbreaks in China and South Korea were driven by people not using masks. The spread rates plummeted after the implementation of countermeasures which include, surprise, use of masks by everyone! > That said, if you are asymptotic you aren't coughing or sneezing, so I'm unsure of how helpful a mask would be. Coughing isn't the only way people spread water droplets ---people do that just by talking. Virus is also carried in aerosol that remain in the air for longer periods. Coronavirus isn't the only thing that cause sneezing or coughing (especially in this season, so there could be people who think they just have pollen allergies while in reality they are symptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2). And regardless, it obviously is better than nothing. Yes, it's not going to be 100% effective, but even a 1% difference will be the difference between life and death for some people in your community. Really, what are you trying to achieve by pushing this nonsense? If all people in the US don't start using masks already, they won't be able to achieve the success in suppressing the spread rates seen in Japan, China, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong (all are countries where mask usage by everyone is high) within the same time frame. The growth will be stronger, there will be far more sick people and more and more fatalities. Is this what you want? If not, just stop, please, and start acting responsible as a member of your community. Please.