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I would say that the media’s reporting of the crisis has simply continued to show people that their coverage of the president is just hysterical nonsense. Those

I would say that the media’s reporting of the crisis has simply continued to show people that their coverage of the president is just hysterical nonsense. Those who have drunk the koolaid will continue to lap it up though.

rootusrootus 7y ago
Did the media make up the "Deep State Department" bit? How do you spin that?
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  “Yeah well, how do explain that joke I didn’t like?” Well now you’ve convinced me... Why is it that the claims that “Trump is unquestionably terrible” so often quickly dissolve into criticism over some joke he made, or a minor gaff of misspeaking?
  - preommr 7y ago
    Because it's hard to know if he's joking since he constantly peddles conspiracy theories like birtherism and keeps company with people like alex jones who are serious about things like sandy hook never happening.
    - AmericanChopper 7y ago
      I guess it depends on whether you read the headlines that say “Trump calls State Department ‘Deep State Department’”, or whether you read the actual quote. > I'd like him to go back to the State Department or as they call it, 'the deep state department’. It’s frankly ridiculous to think this wasn’t a joke, regardless of how unfunny you think it is. It’s also very hilarious that this thread has moved on from “There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well”, to “but what about that joke he made!!!”. When people see that the most voracious criticism of Trump often turns out to simply be humourless outrage mongering, I’d wager it helps his image, if it had any impact on it at all.
      - preommr 7y ago
        What? It took me two minutes of lazy searching to find a video - and I want to emphasize that I am seeing it as is, it's not editorial or article covered by CNN - where Stephen Miller, a senior white house advisor seriously uses the words "deep-state" to refer to sinister efforts to undermine this president. video: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-advisor-stephen-miller-the-president-of-the-united-states-is-the-whistleblower https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-advisor-stephen-miller-t... Trump and his cohorts really believe there's a deep state - it's not a joke for him. On a slightly related note, it's frankly scary how much people twist things to see what they want to see. I sometimes wonder how much worse the situation would be if someone more nefarious and competent were in power. It wouldn't be as easy to just pull up a video like this, and much harder to disprove "it's just a joke dude".
        AmericanChopper 7y ago
        Well you’ve moved the goalposts quite a bit here (by now tremendously far away from “There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well”). Trump jokingly referred to the state department as the deep state department. Quite different from the accusation that he seriously referred to it as a department solely responsible for deep state operations. This was so obviously a joke to anybody except those willing to take even the most spurious opportunities to criticise him for anything. The question of whether there’s one or more groups of unelected bureaucrats working to undermine and obstruct his presidency is an entirely seperate matter. The answer to that question is also demonstrably and unequivocally yes. This was proven without doubt when the OIG released their report detailing a laundry list of illegal FISA abuses that were used to spy on his campaign, by the fact that the mueller investigation, which served no purpose other than to obstruct his presidency, came up with absolutely nothing, and by the travesty of the impeachment “inquiry”. Just to name a few instances.
        jshevek 7y ago
        This is interesting. The same poster also moved the goalpost in a response to one of my comments. I hadn't yet read your comment, but also responded by noting the goalpost movement. The sad thing is, I had already clarified in my own post the difference between making a deep state reference in general, and this specific and obvious joke.
    - jshevek 7y ago
      No, if you actually listen to him it's pretty obvious that he is joking. The general idea that we have unelected bureaucrats that some people think have too much power in our government is not the joke. Calling the State Department the Deep State Department is the joke.
      - preommr 7y ago
        Was it also a joke in the 25 other instances he's said this on twitter? http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive/deep%20state/tfff http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive/deep%20state/tfff Or here: "I am fighting the Fake (Corrupt) News, the Deep State, the Democrats, and the few remaining Republicans In Name Only (RINOS, who are on mouth to mouth resuscitation), with the help of some truly great Republicans, and others. We are Winning big (150th Federal Judge this week)!" How is that in any shape or form a joke?
        jshevek 7y ago
        [That's called] moving the goalpost.
        preommr 7y ago
        Maybe you misunderstood me. It's only a joke because the concept is absurd. Like if he referred to lizard people, I'd know it's a joke. Except he actually believes in a deep state, so for him it's not a joke.
  - rootusrootus 7y ago
    He should let us all in on the joke, I guess. It seemed like a serious comment to me. But, I admit I don't keep up on the right-wing memes nor do I watch the news, so I just took it at face value. If everything Trump says should be assumed to be a joke, then ... ha ha ha
    - jshevek 7y ago
      Have you ever actually listened to any of his ad-libbed speeches in their original unedited form? Or do you let the media interpret his words for you? He makes exactly this kind of dad joke, and this way, with this pitch, very often in his unscripted speeches.
      - rootusrootus 7y ago
        When I watch his speeches (which is rare, because it makes me a little ill), I watch them unedited. I don't watch the news at all, I find it just as gross. I have been watching his speeches as they relate to the pandemic because I want to know when we're going to switch from "OMG shut it all down" to "Here are the steps we are taking to get out of this." I understand it's hard to see when you are very partisan, but not all of us see everything through a left/right filter. I just want the facts (as close as is possible).
- jshevek 7y ago
  Why would the parent need to spin an obvious joke? Is the media pretending he was serious?
  - AmericanChopper 7y ago
    Of course they are. Just as they like to pretend he’s the only person in the world who falls over his words every so often.
Jotra7 7y ago
Thanks for showing the rest of us how ideology rots one's brain.

rootusrootus 7y ago

Did the media make up the "Deep State Department" bit? How do you spin that?

AmericanChopper 7y ago
“Yeah well, how do explain that joke I didn’t like?” Well now you’ve convinced me... Why is it that the claims that “Trump is unquestionably terrible” so often quickly dissolve into criticism over some joke he made, or a minor gaff of misspeaking?
- preommr 7y ago
  Because it's hard to know if he's joking since he constantly peddles conspiracy theories like birtherism and keeps company with people like alex jones who are serious about things like sandy hook never happening.
  - AmericanChopper 7y ago
    I guess it depends on whether you read the headlines that say “Trump calls State Department ‘Deep State Department’”, or whether you read the actual quote. > I'd like him to go back to the State Department or as they call it, 'the deep state department’. It’s frankly ridiculous to think this wasn’t a joke, regardless of how unfunny you think it is. It’s also very hilarious that this thread has moved on from “There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well”, to “but what about that joke he made!!!”. When people see that the most voracious criticism of Trump often turns out to simply be humourless outrage mongering, I’d wager it helps his image, if it had any impact on it at all.
    - preommr 7y ago
      What? It took me two minutes of lazy searching to find a video - and I want to emphasize that I am seeing it as is, it's not editorial or article covered by CNN - where Stephen Miller, a senior white house advisor seriously uses the words "deep-state" to refer to sinister efforts to undermine this president. video: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-advisor-stephen-miller-the-president-of-the-united-states-is-the-whistleblower https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-advisor-stephen-miller-t... Trump and his cohorts really believe there's a deep state - it's not a joke for him. On a slightly related note, it's frankly scary how much people twist things to see what they want to see. I sometimes wonder how much worse the situation would be if someone more nefarious and competent were in power. It wouldn't be as easy to just pull up a video like this, and much harder to disprove "it's just a joke dude".
      - AmericanChopper 7y ago
        Well you’ve moved the goalposts quite a bit here (by now tremendously far away from “There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well”). Trump jokingly referred to the state department as the deep state department. Quite different from the accusation that he seriously referred to it as a department solely responsible for deep state operations. This was so obviously a joke to anybody except those willing to take even the most spurious opportunities to criticise him for anything. The question of whether there’s one or more groups of unelected bureaucrats working to undermine and obstruct his presidency is an entirely seperate matter. The answer to that question is also demonstrably and unequivocally yes. This was proven without doubt when the OIG released their report detailing a laundry list of illegal FISA abuses that were used to spy on his campaign, by the fact that the mueller investigation, which served no purpose other than to obstruct his presidency, came up with absolutely nothing, and by the travesty of the impeachment “inquiry”. Just to name a few instances.
        jshevek 7y ago
        This is interesting. The same poster also moved the goalpost in a response to one of my comments. I hadn't yet read your comment, but also responded by noting the goalpost movement. The sad thing is, I had already clarified in my own post the difference between making a deep state reference in general, and this specific and obvious joke.
  - jshevek 7y ago
    No, if you actually listen to him it's pretty obvious that he is joking. The general idea that we have unelected bureaucrats that some people think have too much power in our government is not the joke. Calling the State Department the Deep State Department is the joke.
    - preommr 7y ago
      Was it also a joke in the 25 other instances he's said this on twitter? http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive/deep%20state/tfff http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive/deep%20state/tfff Or here: "I am fighting the Fake (Corrupt) News, the Deep State, the Democrats, and the few remaining Republicans In Name Only (RINOS, who are on mouth to mouth resuscitation), with the help of some truly great Republicans, and others. We are Winning big (150th Federal Judge this week)!" How is that in any shape or form a joke?
      - jshevek 7y ago
        [That's called] moving the goalpost.
        preommr 7y ago
        Maybe you misunderstood me. It's only a joke because the concept is absurd. Like if he referred to lizard people, I'd know it's a joke. Except he actually believes in a deep state, so for him it's not a joke.
- rootusrootus 7y ago
  He should let us all in on the joke, I guess. It seemed like a serious comment to me. But, I admit I don't keep up on the right-wing memes nor do I watch the news, so I just took it at face value. If everything Trump says should be assumed to be a joke, then ... ha ha ha
  - jshevek 7y ago
    Have you ever actually listened to any of his ad-libbed speeches in their original unedited form? Or do you let the media interpret his words for you? He makes exactly this kind of dad joke, and this way, with this pitch, very often in his unscripted speeches.
    - rootusrootus 7y ago
      When I watch his speeches (which is rare, because it makes me a little ill), I watch them unedited. I don't watch the news at all, I find it just as gross. I have been watching his speeches as they relate to the pandemic because I want to know when we're going to switch from "OMG shut it all down" to "Here are the steps we are taking to get out of this." I understand it's hard to see when you are very partisan, but not all of us see everything through a left/right filter. I just want the facts (as close as is possible).
jshevek 7y ago
Why would the parent need to spin an obvious joke? Is the media pretending he was serious?
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  Of course they are. Just as they like to pretend he’s the only person in the world who falls over his words every so often.

Jotra7 7y ago

Thanks for showing the rest of us how ideology rots one's brain.