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There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well - For purposes of discussion of COVID19 it's best to just ignore him (I

There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well - For purposes of discussion of COVID19 it's best to just ignore him (I mean this respectfully but seriously).

sfkdjf9j3j 7y ago
There was actually a poll on Friday that showed 55% of respondents approved of his handling of the crisis.
- salawat 7y ago
  Keep in mind that all of the data in polls comes from the type of people who respond to random polling with something other than hanging up. I'll admit, I may suffer from the mother of all sampling biases but in the social circles I frequent this is not at all a common trait.
  - dmix 7y ago
    Yet these same polls keep accurately predicting primary results on a similar small scale. What we need is more of them and wider samples to reduce the ~95% error rate of the ABC results even lower. Not critiquing ones who have a well established reputation for following good methodology, as if polling never has value (FiveThirtyEight has litigated this to death and have largely won the argument). That said, one poll is rarely ever enough.
    - WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
      Of course, the people who do polls go and fucking vote.
- ridewinter 7y ago
  There was also a poll this week that showed only 37% trust what he says. https://www.npr.org/2020/03/17/816680033/poll-americans-dont-trust-what-they-re-hearing-from-trump-on-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/2020/03/17/816680033/poll-americans-dont...
  - dehrmann 7y ago
    I don't know the name of it, but there's a tick psychological tests do where they reverse questions, hoping to see if people are answering honestly. There was a window where most people approved of the ACA and disapproved of Obamacare.
- dehrmann 7y ago
  Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-am... This is ~13% (absolute) more than his approval rating, so a big chunk of people think his is handling this well. That said, the GOP thinks this will impact his chance of reelection. Steve Bannon said "he's not running against Joe Biden, he’s running against a virus and the collateral damage from that." So far, the states in lockdown mode where deaths and job losses are likely were going to vote Biden anyway. If more rural states start having problems, expect a lot of swing states to swing left.
blhack 7y ago
What should the US president be doing right now that he isn't doing?
- nitrogen 7y ago
  Probably stepping out of the way and allowing epidemiologists to run the show and have the spotlight.
  - blhack 7y ago
    Have you watched any of the press conferences? That is exactly what he is doing. Drs Fauci, Burks, and Adams give lengthy addresses every day (although Burks and Adams were not present today), as well as answer questions from the press. Trump seems to be deferring to them pretty heavily in the question parts as well. As far as having the spotlight: Dr. Fauci has basically become a household name amongst my peer group. He absolutely has the spotlight. edit: could the people downvoting this please at least leave a comment?
    - xienze 7y ago
      > edit: could the people downvoting this please at least leave a comment? I’ll wager a guess something along the lines of “Orange Man Bad.”
- ridewinter 7y ago
  Telling the truth ("anybody that needs a test gets a test"), taking responsibility ("I don't take responsibility at all [for the lack of testing]"), making tough calls instead of leaving states and cities to fend for their own. And the switch from "this is a hoax" to "I always knew this was a pandemic" doesn't inspire confidence either.
- adrr 7y ago
  Activating core engineers to build field offices which they are trained to do. Getting factories to build paper masks for the public. Getting the car manufactures to build ventilators. Getting money and supplies to the hospitals. Activating the reserves to setup drive through testing in every major city.
AmericanChopper 7y ago
I would say that the media’s reporting of the crisis has simply continued to show people that their coverage of the president is just hysterical nonsense. Those who have drunk the koolaid will continue to lap it up though.
- rootusrootus 7y ago
  Did the media make up the "Deep State Department" bit? How do you spin that?
  - AmericanChopper 7y ago
    “Yeah well, how do explain that joke I didn’t like?” Well now you’ve convinced me... Why is it that the claims that “Trump is unquestionably terrible” so often quickly dissolve into criticism over some joke he made, or a minor gaff of misspeaking?
    - preommr 7y ago
      Because it's hard to know if he's joking since he constantly peddles conspiracy theories like birtherism and keeps company with people like alex jones who are serious about things like sandy hook never happening.
      - AmericanChopper 7y ago
        I guess it depends on whether you read the headlines that say “Trump calls State Department ‘Deep State Department’”, or whether you read the actual quote. > I'd like him to go back to the State Department or as they call it, 'the deep state department’. It’s frankly ridiculous to think this wasn’t a joke, regardless of how unfunny you think it is. It’s also very hilarious that this thread has moved on from “There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well”, to “but what about that joke he made!!!”. When people see that the most voracious criticism of Trump often turns out to simply be humourless outrage mongering, I’d wager it helps his image, if it had any impact on it at all.
godzillabrennus 7y ago
55% of Americans polled now think he’s doing a good job handling the epidemic. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-03-20/approval-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-increases-poll-finds https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-03-20/app... That’s a pretty telling example of how far we’ve come from statesmen like Obama.
dmix 7y ago
If your intention really was to reduce the mention of politics on here this is a poor way to go about it.

There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well - For purposes of discussion of COVID19 it's best to just ignore him (I mean this respectfully but seriously).

sfkdjf9j3j 7y ago

There was actually a poll on Friday that showed 55% of respondents approved of his handling of the crisis.

salawat 7y ago
Keep in mind that all of the data in polls comes from the type of people who respond to random polling with something other than hanging up. I'll admit, I may suffer from the mother of all sampling biases but in the social circles I frequent this is not at all a common trait.
- dmix 7y ago
  Yet these same polls keep accurately predicting primary results on a similar small scale. What we need is more of them and wider samples to reduce the ~95% error rate of the ABC results even lower. Not critiquing ones who have a well established reputation for following good methodology, as if polling never has value (FiveThirtyEight has litigated this to death and have largely won the argument). That said, one poll is rarely ever enough.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
    Of course, the people who do polls go and fucking vote.
ridewinter 7y ago
There was also a poll this week that showed only 37% trust what he says. https://www.npr.org/2020/03/17/816680033/poll-americans-dont-trust-what-they-re-hearing-from-trump-on-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/2020/03/17/816680033/poll-americans-dont...
- dehrmann 7y ago
  I don't know the name of it, but there's a tick psychological tests do where they reverse questions, hoping to see if people are answering honestly. There was a window where most people approved of the ACA and disapproved of Obamacare.
dehrmann 7y ago
Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-am... This is ~13% (absolute) more than his approval rating, so a big chunk of people think his is handling this well. That said, the GOP thinks this will impact his chance of reelection. Steve Bannon said "he's not running against Joe Biden, he’s running against a virus and the collateral damage from that." So far, the states in lockdown mode where deaths and job losses are likely were going to vote Biden anyway. If more rural states start having problems, expect a lot of swing states to swing left.

blhack 7y ago

What should the US president be doing right now that he isn't doing?

nitrogen 7y ago
Probably stepping out of the way and allowing epidemiologists to run the show and have the spotlight.
- blhack 7y ago
  Have you watched any of the press conferences? That is exactly what he is doing. Drs Fauci, Burks, and Adams give lengthy addresses every day (although Burks and Adams were not present today), as well as answer questions from the press. Trump seems to be deferring to them pretty heavily in the question parts as well. As far as having the spotlight: Dr. Fauci has basically become a household name amongst my peer group. He absolutely has the spotlight. edit: could the people downvoting this please at least leave a comment?
  - xienze 7y ago
    > edit: could the people downvoting this please at least leave a comment? I’ll wager a guess something along the lines of “Orange Man Bad.”
ridewinter 7y ago
Telling the truth ("anybody that needs a test gets a test"), taking responsibility ("I don't take responsibility at all [for the lack of testing]"), making tough calls instead of leaving states and cities to fend for their own. And the switch from "this is a hoax" to "I always knew this was a pandemic" doesn't inspire confidence either.
adrr 7y ago
Activating core engineers to build field offices which they are trained to do. Getting factories to build paper masks for the public. Getting the car manufactures to build ventilators. Getting money and supplies to the hospitals. Activating the reserves to setup drive through testing in every major city.

AmericanChopper 7y ago

I would say that the media’s reporting of the crisis has simply continued to show people that their coverage of the president is just hysterical nonsense. Those who have drunk the koolaid will continue to lap it up though.

rootusrootus 7y ago
Did the media make up the "Deep State Department" bit? How do you spin that?
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  “Yeah well, how do explain that joke I didn’t like?” Well now you’ve convinced me... Why is it that the claims that “Trump is unquestionably terrible” so often quickly dissolve into criticism over some joke he made, or a minor gaff of misspeaking?
  - preommr 7y ago
    Because it's hard to know if he's joking since he constantly peddles conspiracy theories like birtherism and keeps company with people like alex jones who are serious about things like sandy hook never happening.
    - AmericanChopper 7y ago
      I guess it depends on whether you read the headlines that say “Trump calls State Department ‘Deep State Department’”, or whether you read the actual quote. > I'd like him to go back to the State Department or as they call it, 'the deep state department’. It’s frankly ridiculous to think this wasn’t a joke, regardless of how unfunny you think it is. It’s also very hilarious that this thread has moved on from “There's not a single person who would agree that the US president is handling this well”, to “but what about that joke he made!!!”. When people see that the most voracious criticism of Trump often turns out to simply be humourless outrage mongering, I’d wager it helps his image, if it had any impact on it at all.

godzillabrennus 7y ago

55% of Americans polled now think he’s doing a good job handling the epidemic. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-03-20/approval-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-increases-poll-finds https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-03-20/app... That’s a pretty telling example of how far we’ve come from statesmen like Obama.

dmix 7y ago

If your intention really was to reduce the mention of politics on here this is a poor way to go about it.