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How easily could this story* happen in other fields besides University faculties? Could this all be avoided by just not telling anyone that you are in the runni

How easily could this story* happen in other fields besides University faculties? Could this all be avoided by just not telling anyone that you are in the running for a job, until you have the written offer in hand? *(1:frenemy finds out you are a candidate for a job; 2: frenemy anonymously send unsubstantiated rumors to decisionmakers; 3: decisionmakers take the rumors seriously)

jbullock35 7y ago
> Could this all be avoided by just not telling anyone that you are in the running for a job, until you have the written offer in hand? Probably not in U.S. academia. When a U.S. department is thinking of hiring you as a professor, you give a public talk in front of that department's faculty. At that point, it becomes more or less public knowledge that you are in the running for a job.
fennecfoxen 7y ago
Private individuals at businesses have incentives and the opportunity to exercise basic judgment, ask the accuser for more facts, or ask the accused for his or her side of the story. On the other hand, from 2011-2017, most schools reading the federal Title IX guidance were not only discouraged from listening to the defendant, they found themselves discouraged from listening to the victim. Thus you see a black athlete Grant Neal who was expelled from Colorado State University-Pueblo for raping a trainer, despite the trainer saying that she was fine and not at all raped. (You can't believe her! She's a battered woman.) Of course, when Betsy DeVos announced changes in 2014, all the commentary you could find was "this is rape culture at work!" but if you're willing to actually look at the cases she cited, I can point you at https://reason.com/2017/09/07/devos-title-ix-example-cases-rape/ https://reason.com/2017/09/07/devos-title-ix-example-cases-r...
JackFr 7y ago
Well, sometimes the Senate needs to confirm you.
jimbob45 7y ago
100% can’t. Schools have their own secret police for investigation for no reason that make stories like this possible. If they just deferred to the normal police like literally every other profession, then everything would be fine. Instead, universities made what happens off-campus into their business. I’m sure there’s a conspiracy theory to be found here.

jbullock35 7y ago

> Could this all be avoided by just not telling anyone that you are in the running for a job, until you have the written offer in hand? Probably not in U.S. academia. When a U.S. department is thinking of hiring you as a professor, you give a public talk in front of that department's faculty. At that point, it becomes more or less public knowledge that you are in the running for a job.

fennecfoxen 7y ago

Private individuals at businesses have incentives and the opportunity to exercise basic judgment, ask the accuser for more facts, or ask the accused for his or her side of the story. On the other hand, from 2011-2017, most schools reading the federal Title IX guidance were not only discouraged from listening to the defendant, they found themselves discouraged from listening to the victim. Thus you see a black athlete Grant Neal who was expelled from Colorado State University-Pueblo for raping a trainer, despite the trainer saying that she was fine and not at all raped. (You can't believe her! She's a battered woman.) Of course, when Betsy DeVos announced changes in 2014, all the commentary you could find was "this is rape culture at work!" but if you're willing to actually look at the cases she cited, I can point you at https://reason.com/2017/09/07/devos-title-ix-example-cases-rape/ https://reason.com/2017/09/07/devos-title-ix-example-cases-r...

JackFr 7y ago

Well, sometimes the Senate needs to confirm you.

jimbob45 7y ago

100% can’t. Schools have their own secret police for investigation for no reason that make stories like this possible. If they just deferred to the normal police like literally every other profession, then everything would be fine. Instead, universities made what happens off-campus into their business. I’m sure there’s a conspiracy theory to be found here.