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Some days ago, I found this comment from someone living in Japan. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22605657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22605657

by baxtr 7y ago

Zarel 7y ago
This is what I've heard from my friends living in Japan – people are sick, but the government is refusing to test them because they want to keep the numbers down so the Olympics don't get cancelled. But other threads further up pointed out that even with massive under-testing, it should be hard to cover up a COVID-19 outbreak if it spread exponentially as expected – there would be reports of hospitals being overloaded and having to turn away people with severe symptoms, so maybe something else is going on.
- l_davis 7y ago
  I'm sure PM Abe is sweating bullets. Japan has been in an economic slump for decades. The Olympics and associated tourism was supposed to fix that (and Japan has seen a big increase in tourists in recent years as they gear up). And now this?
- pdr2020 7y ago
  If the government has such strict criteria for testing, might it also not have implemented strict 'stages' that you must proceed through after a diagnosis? And a further, stricter criteria before even allowing hospitalisation? My other suspicion is severe cases will try their best to hold off on self-reporting given the strict government testing criteria and lack of awareness/panic. This is one key way that Japanese and US society diverge - Americans are much less afraid to 'make a fool of themselves' if they believe they are correct/in danger. Japanese unfortunately, much more so and especially when given direct government directions.
  - Zarel 7y ago
    That doesn't explain the difference in death rates. If Japan were turning away severe life-threatening cases (especially despite plenty of hospital capacity), you'd expect an increase in deaths and rioting in the streets – at the very least, _some_ indication that something was wrong. And if they _weren't_ turning away life-threatening cases, you'd expect reports of hospitals stretched far beyond capacity. There really aren't any other plausible explanations than "Japan actually has significantly fewer or less severe COVID-19 cases than expected". It would have to be an implausibly massive cover-up.
  - lovemenot 7y ago
    >> Japanese unfortunately, much more so .. Look, I can and frequently do make a case for weak Japanese, strong Americans in various domains. But not about this. If culture is a part of the reason for divergence of rates of infection, it's certainly in Japan's favour. Remember, we are talking about society overall. Not what might benefit any given individual.
debevv 7y ago
I live in Lombardy, and I can assure you that the conditions to meet in order to get tested are the same. Me and my three flatmates had 37-39 °C for some days, including a very bad cough. We called the emergency number, and they said that they could test us only in case of prolonged temperature and/or respiratory problems. This happened like 2-3 weeks ago, and considering the current state of the national health service, I don't think requirements became lesse strict
- baxtr 7y ago
  Thanks for sharing your experience. Hope you and your flatmates are doing better.
mekster 7y ago
The one (Japanese PM, IOC or others) who mentions about postponing or cancelling will have to be responsible for the financial damages in Olympics and thus are just pretending everything is alright until someone takes the lead. Don't look at politicians at face value.

Some days ago, I found this comment from someone living in Japan. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22605657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22605657

by baxtr 7y ago

Some days ago, I found this comment from someone living in Japan. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22605657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22605657

Zarel 7y ago

This is what I've heard from my friends living in Japan – people are sick, but the government is refusing to test them because they want to keep the numbers down so the Olympics don't get cancelled. But other threads further up pointed out that even with massive under-testing, it should be hard to cover up a COVID-19 outbreak if it spread exponentially as expected – there would be reports of hospitals being overloaded and having to turn away people with severe symptoms, so maybe something else is going on.

l_davis 7y ago
I'm sure PM Abe is sweating bullets. Japan has been in an economic slump for decades. The Olympics and associated tourism was supposed to fix that (and Japan has seen a big increase in tourists in recent years as they gear up). And now this?
pdr2020 7y ago
If the government has such strict criteria for testing, might it also not have implemented strict 'stages' that you must proceed through after a diagnosis? And a further, stricter criteria before even allowing hospitalisation? My other suspicion is severe cases will try their best to hold off on self-reporting given the strict government testing criteria and lack of awareness/panic. This is one key way that Japanese and US society diverge - Americans are much less afraid to 'make a fool of themselves' if they believe they are correct/in danger. Japanese unfortunately, much more so and especially when given direct government directions.
- Zarel 7y ago
  That doesn't explain the difference in death rates. If Japan were turning away severe life-threatening cases (especially despite plenty of hospital capacity), you'd expect an increase in deaths and rioting in the streets – at the very least, _some_ indication that something was wrong. And if they _weren't_ turning away life-threatening cases, you'd expect reports of hospitals stretched far beyond capacity. There really aren't any other plausible explanations than "Japan actually has significantly fewer or less severe COVID-19 cases than expected". It would have to be an implausibly massive cover-up.
- lovemenot 7y ago
  >> Japanese unfortunately, much more so .. Look, I can and frequently do make a case for weak Japanese, strong Americans in various domains. But not about this. If culture is a part of the reason for divergence of rates of infection, it's certainly in Japan's favour. Remember, we are talking about society overall. Not what might benefit any given individual.

debevv 7y ago

I live in Lombardy, and I can assure you that the conditions to meet in order to get tested are the same. Me and my three flatmates had 37-39 °C for some days, including a very bad cough. We called the emergency number, and they said that they could test us only in case of prolonged temperature and/or respiratory problems. This happened like 2-3 weeks ago, and considering the current state of the national health service, I don't think requirements became lesse strict

baxtr 7y ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. Hope you and your flatmates are doing better.

mekster 7y ago

The one (Japanese PM, IOC or others) who mentions about postponing or cancelling will have to be responsible for the financial damages in Olympics and thus are just pretending everything is alright until someone takes the lead. Don't look at politicians at face value.