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I was gonna say positive things until the page-wide unclosable buy-me-now popup jumped up. This is the kind of web no one wants to touch, even with a long stick

I was gonna say positive things until the page-wide unclosable buy-me-now popup jumped up. This is the kind of web no one wants to touch, even with a long stick, never mind sponsoring it through an annual payment.

cercatrova 7y ago
Pop-ups work well, most people aren't technical and find no problem with them.
- Nextgrid 7y ago
  What do you mean by "work well"? Work well for who? Just because a shitty, user-hostile web has been accepted by non-technical users (because they don't know any better) doesn't mean we should condone or encourage the behaviour. The same applies to spammers, telemarketers, etc. We've more or less "accepted" them as an ever-present nuisance, but it doesn't mean we should legitimise nor approve that scummy behaviour.
  - cercatrova 7y ago
    They work well for the creator of the site. If the prime metric is, are people wanting what I'm providing and it's easy for them to do so, then pop-ups work very well. If the metric is, is my site pristine enough for other engineers, then no they don't work well, as seen by the responses here. The choice is in what to optimize for. If it works, it works, regardless of whatever scumminess you may perceive.
- ricardobeat 7y ago
  Event if that was true, what are the odds non-technical people are looking for a browser extension to track their remote work hours?
- kemonocode 7y ago
  Pop-ups are highly disruptive and whenever I work on something that involves a modal window, let alone a pop-up, I ask myself if it's truly needed. I'd argue they're all the more disruptive for non-technical people-- especially if they aren't savvy to dark patterns and may not know how to dismiss particularly pernicious pop-ups (A tiny X in a subdued color located in one corner may be extremely easy to miss at first glance)
ricardobeat 7y ago
Same here. Looked around for a close button, clearly there wasn't one, quick way out. If this is a product for tech-savvy workers, this is a great way to lose half your audience.
- l1am0 7y ago
  Yep. Should have known that before posting to HackerNews. Thanks for that reply :D It is removed for now. (As it works quite good with other audiences I will add in a different form again)
l1am0 7y ago
Thank you for that reply! I totally get that and that's why you can click everywhere on the popup to close it. But maybe a learning for me: Remove such marketing mehtods before posting to HackerNews. To be honest the popup works quite good on other audiences, that's why I opted for it. Sorry for crushing your experience with the site with this!

cercatrova 7y ago

Pop-ups work well, most people aren't technical and find no problem with them.

Nextgrid 7y ago
What do you mean by "work well"? Work well for who? Just because a shitty, user-hostile web has been accepted by non-technical users (because they don't know any better) doesn't mean we should condone or encourage the behaviour. The same applies to spammers, telemarketers, etc. We've more or less "accepted" them as an ever-present nuisance, but it doesn't mean we should legitimise nor approve that scummy behaviour.
- cercatrova 7y ago
  They work well for the creator of the site. If the prime metric is, are people wanting what I'm providing and it's easy for them to do so, then pop-ups work very well. If the metric is, is my site pristine enough for other engineers, then no they don't work well, as seen by the responses here. The choice is in what to optimize for. If it works, it works, regardless of whatever scumminess you may perceive.
ricardobeat 7y ago
Event if that was true, what are the odds non-technical people are looking for a browser extension to track their remote work hours?
kemonocode 7y ago
Pop-ups are highly disruptive and whenever I work on something that involves a modal window, let alone a pop-up, I ask myself if it's truly needed. I'd argue they're all the more disruptive for non-technical people-- especially if they aren't savvy to dark patterns and may not know how to dismiss particularly pernicious pop-ups (A tiny X in a subdued color located in one corner may be extremely easy to miss at first glance)

ricardobeat 7y ago

Same here. Looked around for a close button, clearly there wasn't one, quick way out. If this is a product for tech-savvy workers, this is a great way to lose half your audience.

l1am0 7y ago
Yep. Should have known that before posting to HackerNews. Thanks for that reply :D It is removed for now. (As it works quite good with other audiences I will add in a different form again)

l1am0 7y ago

Thank you for that reply! I totally get that and that's why you can click everywhere on the popup to close it. But maybe a learning for me: Remove such marketing mehtods before posting to HackerNews. To be honest the popup works quite good on other audiences, that's why I opted for it. Sorry for crushing your experience with the site with this!