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Whole world is waiting for blueprints. There are many many industrial 3D printers out there. Even with fraction of them companies could print all the needed ven

by lnsru 7y ago

Whole world is waiting for blueprints. There are many many industrial 3D printers out there. Even with fraction of them companies could print all the needed ventilators worldwide. There is no worldwide authority, that can provide these blueprints. And that’s imho the biggest problem today. Edit: It might contain electronics, but there is pandemic, not global war, so printed circuit manufacturing capacity is still there. Some modules with microprocessor are widely available worldwide and the design can be constrained using such module and 2 layer carrier printed circuit board. Machines to build these are available at better maker spaces. Pick and place machines are also there. So basically my timeline would as follows: order parts on Digikey and mouser today, go to maker space, start engraving printed circuit boards and launch 3D printers. On Monday or Tuesday digikey ships the parts. Maybe it will arrive on Wednesday, shipping companies are busy right now. On Wednesday I would launch pick and place machine and produce first batch of boards and next day I would start assembling manually the devices. On next weekend I would have probably 10 units to start tests. That’s working alone. With other tech savvy individuals output would be orders of magnitude higher. And this is not theory, in my previous workplace team of 8 blue collar workers was shipping 2000 units of comparable machinery per year.

nadi93y 7y ago
The answer to your question is www.3dhubs.com
rightbyte 7y ago
WHO? Every ventilator manufactured can provide blue prints of their old designs. There has to be old design without microcontrollers that could be made in most machine workshops around the world. I guess a modern design would be to complicated to outsource to random machine shops with all the special electronics.
- wbl 7y ago
  Electronics can be done as boards to stick in at an assembly point.
golemotron 7y ago
> There is no worldwide authority, that can provide these blueprints. Nor should there be. Centralization isn't beneficial for this sort of problem.
- deleted 7y ago
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- ben_w 7y ago
  Certification is useful. I don’t want my life to rely on the bio equivalent of a website with a self-signed SSL Certificate.
libertine 7y ago
But aren't ventilators more than just a pump? I mean, doesn't it need software and an interface (no ideia if they track health data)? Or the hardest part are the 3D printable parts?
- markhollis 7y ago
  I've been following the developments of these ventilators pretty closely, particularly of these using a ventilator for multiple patients. The hard part is not the ventilation mechanism itself, but the specifications. Those ventilators must be controlled precisely, they must take into account the characteristics of COVID-19 patients. There is some overlap with ventilation for ARDS. The more you read into this subject, the more you realize how absolutely scary it is to actually design such a project. Lots of parameters have to be taken into account. Read on mechanical ventilation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_ventilation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_ventilation 3D printed parts that where the air flow through must be air-tight.
  - raphman 7y ago
    Yeah, I' been following the various projects, too. As far as I can see, many people underestimate that ventilators are just one necessary tool of many in intensive care. Sure, you can whip up a proof-of-concept prototype using a bag-valve mask, a stepper motor, and an Arduino. However, most COVID-19 patients will be multimorbid and require lots of attention. As multiple healthcare experts have mentioned so far, the real bottleneck are highly-qualified intensive care doctors and nurses. Do you really want to give these people a new ventilator with which they are not familiar, which may lack features they need, and which might break down or malfunction in an unfortunate moment? Maybe there is a place for such simple ventilators outside intensive care, e.g., as support for people who are able to breathe on their own and do not necessarily require mechanical ventilation, AND who are in a place without nasal O2 supply?
    - rootusrootus 7y ago
      If someone didn't need mechanical ventilation but would benefit from some assistance, couldn't they use a CPAP? There sure are a lot of those in use across the world.
hinkley 7y ago
Boeing got FAA approval for aviation-grade 3D parts during the 787 program. I don't know if they make them in-house, through a supplier, or both, but they have the capacity to not only get the things manufactured but deliver them too.
krona 7y ago
For what its worth, the UK's largest manufacturer of ventilators has released its designs and related intellectual property to british industry.

by lnsru 7y ago

nadi93y 7y ago

The answer to your question is www.3dhubs.com

rightbyte 7y ago

WHO? Every ventilator manufactured can provide blue prints of their old designs. There has to be old design without microcontrollers that could be made in most machine workshops around the world. I guess a modern design would be to complicated to outsource to random machine shops with all the special electronics.

wbl 7y ago
Electronics can be done as boards to stick in at an assembly point.

golemotron 7y ago

> There is no worldwide authority, that can provide these blueprints. Nor should there be. Centralization isn't beneficial for this sort of problem.

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ben_w 7y ago
Certification is useful. I don’t want my life to rely on the bio equivalent of a website with a self-signed SSL Certificate.

libertine 7y ago

But aren't ventilators more than just a pump? I mean, doesn't it need software and an interface (no ideia if they track health data)? Or the hardest part are the 3D printable parts?

markhollis 7y ago
I've been following the developments of these ventilators pretty closely, particularly of these using a ventilator for multiple patients. The hard part is not the ventilation mechanism itself, but the specifications. Those ventilators must be controlled precisely, they must take into account the characteristics of COVID-19 patients. There is some overlap with ventilation for ARDS. The more you read into this subject, the more you realize how absolutely scary it is to actually design such a project. Lots of parameters have to be taken into account. Read on mechanical ventilation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_ventilation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_ventilation 3D printed parts that where the air flow through must be air-tight.
- raphman 7y ago
  Yeah, I' been following the various projects, too. As far as I can see, many people underestimate that ventilators are just one necessary tool of many in intensive care. Sure, you can whip up a proof-of-concept prototype using a bag-valve mask, a stepper motor, and an Arduino. However, most COVID-19 patients will be multimorbid and require lots of attention. As multiple healthcare experts have mentioned so far, the real bottleneck are highly-qualified intensive care doctors and nurses. Do you really want to give these people a new ventilator with which they are not familiar, which may lack features they need, and which might break down or malfunction in an unfortunate moment? Maybe there is a place for such simple ventilators outside intensive care, e.g., as support for people who are able to breathe on their own and do not necessarily require mechanical ventilation, AND who are in a place without nasal O2 supply?
  - rootusrootus 7y ago
    If someone didn't need mechanical ventilation but would benefit from some assistance, couldn't they use a CPAP? There sure are a lot of those in use across the world.

hinkley 7y ago

Boeing got FAA approval for aviation-grade 3D parts during the 787 program. I don't know if they make them in-house, through a supplier, or both, but they have the capacity to not only get the things manufactured but deliver them too.

krona 7y ago

For what its worth, the UK's largest manufacturer of ventilators has released its designs and related intellectual property to british industry.