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A more tyrannical justice system and more incarcerated people are not necessarily bad per se. Remember that the US is vastly more heterogeneous which translates

A more tyrannical justice system and more incarcerated people are not necessarily bad per se. Remember that the US is vastly more heterogeneous which translates into more crime. Keeping criminals in prison is freedom--freedom to own a store and not being robbed, for instance. Not sure how common civil forfeiture is, I'm not American, but it sounds quite fishy indeed. As I said below, I didn't mention the US at all...

justanotherc 7y ago
Its a fair point, I'm just pointing out the fact that freedom is in the eye of the collective beholder.
woah 7y ago
You really think that the freedom to organize a neonazi cell is more important than the freedom not to be robbed at gun point by the police?
Cpoll 7y ago
> Keeping criminals in prison is freedom--freedom to own a store and not being robbed, for instance. I think when people mention the high incarceration rate in the U.S., they're usually bemoaning not the armed robbers, but those that are incarcerated for three-strikes laws, recreational drug use, non-violent recidivism, and those unconvicted but unable to afford bail.
weare138 7y ago
> Remember that the US is vastly more heterogeneous which translates into more crime Care to substantiate that claim?
- Fjolsvith 7y ago
  Care to debunk it?
  - weare138 7y ago
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence or in your case, any. It's on you to prove it not vise versa.
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      https://www.jstor.org/stable/43552152?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/43552152?seq=1 and https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227283604_Population_Heterogeneity_and_State_Dependence_State_of_the_Evidence_and_Directions_For_Future_Research https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227283604_Populatio...
jeffreygoesto 7y ago
I'm not sure that incarceration (and the circumstances under which it usually happens) in the US is increasing the "freedom". See i.e. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wtV5ev6813I https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wtV5ev6813I

justanotherc 7y ago

Its a fair point, I'm just pointing out the fact that freedom is in the eye of the collective beholder.

woah 7y ago

You really think that the freedom to organize a neonazi cell is more important than the freedom not to be robbed at gun point by the police?

Cpoll 7y ago

> Keeping criminals in prison is freedom--freedom to own a store and not being robbed, for instance. I think when people mention the high incarceration rate in the U.S., they're usually bemoaning not the armed robbers, but those that are incarcerated for three-strikes laws, recreational drug use, non-violent recidivism, and those unconvicted but unable to afford bail.

weare138 7y ago

> Remember that the US is vastly more heterogeneous which translates into more crime Care to substantiate that claim?

Fjolsvith 7y ago
Care to debunk it?
- weare138 7y ago
  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence or in your case, any. It's on you to prove it not vise versa.
  - Fjolsvith 7y ago
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/43552152?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/43552152?seq=1 and https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227283604_Population_Heterogeneity_and_State_Dependence_State_of_the_Evidence_and_Directions_For_Future_Research https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227283604_Populatio...

jeffreygoesto 7y ago

I'm not sure that incarceration (and the circumstances under which it usually happens) in the US is increasing the "freedom". See i.e. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wtV5ev6813I https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wtV5ev6813I