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What, specifically, has byuu said in the past that has lead him to need to disappear?

by AdmiralAsshat 7y ago

contr-error 7y ago
Does it matter?
deleted 7y ago
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jpgvm 7y ago
If you want to slog through it here is the post mentioned in the OP: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
  That's not a website you would normally want to go anywhere near. It is a forum where stalkers and creeps go to obsess over and make fun of the lives of people who aren't public figures.
  - kemonocode 7y ago
    It's also a website with a culture of methodically archiving people's behavior, whether you agree with how it gets used or not. I agree with freedom of speech, but also I do think people ought to be held accountable for the things they say and do.
    - throwanem 7y ago
      I'd be awfully hesitant to trust factual claims made by people who speak and behave as that site's users do. Nothing I've seen from them suggests a willingness to scruple at fabricating evidence.
      - Cyberdog 7y ago
        On the contrary, Kiwis are meticulous about verifying and preserving evidence. Posting information about someone without third-party archive links or some other way to verify what you're saying will result in you, at best, being politely reminded to post verification. If it's verified that you were intentionally posting false information to stir up drama, you will likely be banned and maybe even have your own thread made about you with all of your dirty laundry proudly on display. Yes, Kiwis dox and mock people and say gamer words, and that sort of edgi boi behavior isn't for everyone. But the information it collects is rarely inaccurate. EDIT: For what it's worth, it looks like Byuu posted in his own thread last month taking accountability for some of his bad behavior and got a mostly warm response from the Kiwis. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/post-5982121 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
        tiles 7y ago
        This is such a strange response. Byuu's two posts later in the thread contain several corrections, particularly on their alleged cartridge hoarding behavior. It invalidates the claims of the original post while not denying any of the evidence was true. A well sourced Wikipedia article can still be biased. The presence of sources isn't mutually exclusive with bias.
        Cyberdog 7y ago
        > It invalidates the claims of the original post while not denying any of the evidence was true. So the evidence is still true, then? And the paragraph at the top of the OP states that it is slightly out of date. > A well sourced Wikipedia article can still be biased. Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/978/ https://xkcd.com/978/ I'm increasingly becoming convinced Wikipedia is a toxic garbage dump. The Wii U article states that it had the fewest game releases of any Nintendo console. I tried adding the words "…since the Virtual Boy" to turn that into a factually correct statement and it got reverted. I don't have the time to get into a slapfight with another editor about facts, so the incorrect statement remains. Whatever.
    - dependenttypes 7y ago
      There used to be a banner in that site that said that white-knighting was not allowed. I understood that to mean that if someone posted something refuting another post that was criticizing that person they would get banned. I would agree with you if kiwifarms was a truly free site that aimed to stay objective but this does not seem to be the case.
    - tiles 7y ago
      "Held accountable" on the post seems to include moral depravity like "he posted anti-Trump tweets". I don't think that's really accurate here.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    It's also highly unpleasant, with a lexicon reminiscent of 4chan.
    - snvzz 7y ago
      I find 4chan a quite friendly place in contrast. This forum seems focused on hate and trying to harm people.
      - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
        Wow, you all weren't joking. That place is the chunks at the bottom of a cesspool. Even 4chan /b/ is friendlier.
        nonbirithm 7y ago
        They're the kind of people who try to make themselves sound reasonable by saying some of their members are also part of vulnerable communities, then turn around and call people "spergs" as an insult and let it slide. In the end, all that matters to them is if they get a good laugh out of it, as it always has been.
  - bartread 7y ago
    I mean, yeah, I'm pretty sure that byuu has done some things he regrets in life, including content he's posted online. That's hardly unusual for people who've been on the internet for a long time, and is something that we as a society are going to have to learn to deal with better than we do at the moment. People change, and dredging up stuff that people posted years ago is more than a little bit sad, and deeply unedifying for everyone. I'd never heard of Kiwi Farms before today and, honestly, I could cheerfully have gone my whole life without knowing about it. I started reading the thread, then skimmed the responses further down and was, basically, appalled. This website truly does plumb the depths of mental depravity. It's a cesspool of lazy, warped, corrupted thinking. Wikipedia has a pretty good overview of what you're getting into there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms As such, I would regard any perspective on byuu shared on that site as highly suspect, and I certainly wouldn't use it as a yardstick by which to assess him as a human being. Right: I think it might be time to go and disinfect my eyes and my brain.
  - a_t48 7y ago
    Yeah - everyone says dumb things at one point or another. Maybe some of the callout is warranted, but collating every possible embarrassing thing someone has said is too much.
- kithrothrowi 7y ago
  I would like to point out that byuu's recent response to that thread was composed and dignified: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/page-6#post-5982121 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430.... As someone with who wasn't familiar with the drama I came away with the impression that byuu handled it rather well in the end (and also has grown as a person thanks to it). It does make me wonder if from the perspective of PR and reducing further trolling posting a calm, eloquent and self-deprecating defense is better or worse than not responding at all. What would you do if you had a Kiwi Farms thread with your embarrassing posts, some very old? (Throwaway because I don't want a link to Kiwi Farms in my post history.)
  - Kaze404 7y ago
    I clicked that link expecting to be horrified and was still shocked by the first thing I glanced at. Thanks for linking, but I wouldn't advise anyone to click it. It's not worth it.
    - byuu 7y ago
      To be fair, I have a much better fursona now ^-^;; https://twitter.com/Kampidh/status/1234029776144175110 https://twitter.com/Kampidh/status/1234029776144175110 (it's G-rated, don't worry.)
      - Kaze404 7y ago
        I was referring to the immediate n-word. Furries are fine, shaming people for what they enjoy is cringe. Fwiw I think your fursona is adorable.
        byuu 7y ago
        Ah, yeah. Lovely bunch there. > Fwiw I think your fursona is adorable. Thank you very much ^-^
      - Aloha 7y ago
        Your Fursona is adorable, though, uhh.. what species are you?
- kfbthrwy 7y ago
  Ah Kiwifarms... you see though, they often err on the side of whatever is the most juicy. They’re infamous for taking tenuous bits of evidence to paint a horrible picture of someone. They are also masters at omitting things that would hurt this case, even if it’s the very next sentence in a paragraph. Now on one hand, a lot of the subjects on kiwifarms are in fact not the type of people anyone would want to defend; many of them really are horrible people. And, you could argue that what kiwifarms does is not a big deal, since it’s just archiving what people say. But then, I think it highlights one of the things people hate about the internet. Which is to say, the looming record. Everything someone has ever said or defended might be archived somewhere, to be picked apart endlessly. The thing is, most of the time, more time is spent picking apart and dissecting text than was spent originally writing it. (Could it some day be these comments in this thread being archived and weaponized? Maybe.) I think byuu’s reply underscores all of that. But even moreso, it underscores something more sinister, imo. Byuu never left a shred of evidence about his sexuality anywhere, which is because he is asexual. However, he is accused of pedophilia for defending comic books. Now there are enough pornographic comic books in this world to find at least one that’ll make anyone’s skin crawl, but it is still just ink on paper. Even if you still think it should be banned, I don’t see how you could possibly, with good conscience, accuse someone of potentially being a pedophile over your position on this issue, especially knowing Japanese culture surrounding this phenomenon. There is no need to make bad analogies to defend this position. It is a logical leap of epic proportions to suggest not wanting to censor comics fantasizing about something is somehow advocating for the thing they fantasize about. Byuu gave up his position, which was a smart thing to do nowadays, as this non-sense idea that being anti-censorship makes you a pedophile is actually pervasive in both left and right leaning circles nowadays. I know some people think I’m exaggerating here, but the battle has been rather vicious against online artists, who in the west have in many cases stopped posting pornography altogether to avoid stepping on glass, and there’s a ton of pressure being put on Patreon and its payment processors to the point where Patreon now claims officially that you can no longer post illustrated pornography with anime-style features[1]. I think it is, at best, scummy behavior to go and take someone’s opinion on this subject and use it to extrapolate on how they might be a predator in real life. Of course, something also common with both Kiwifarms and with the left-leaning internet is guilt by association. So god help you if you are friends with anyone who has a banned opinion. There are other preposterous logical conclusion jumps than just this one too! I don’t think any of them are as vicious because they are easier to call out as bullshit because you won’t be unilaterally shat on for defending pedophilia when doing so. In byuu’s case, though, I think this was the most egregious one. All in all, what Kiwifarms claims to do and I believe even what they think they do seems like it would not be all that bad; it almost seems a bit journalistic on its face. But as usual, the devil is in the details. Throwaway account for many reasons that are already obvious if you read this far. I am not mortified of being outed or anything, as I really do stand by my opinions, but I suspect there would be very little benefit to standing by it with my own name in this day and age. :( [1] https://twitter.com/waero_re/status/1238408555507539968 https://twitter.com/waero_re/status/1238408555507539968
asveikau 7y ago
Whatever it is, it wouldn't shock me if he were being too hard on himself. I have seen him comment here for instance, and I do not follow the scene at all, but many of those were interesting comments. I am only skimming the linked article elsewhere in the thread and it seems too hard on him too.

What, specifically, has byuu said in the past that has lead him to need to disappear?

contr-error 7y ago

Does it matter?

deleted 7y ago

[deleted]

jpgvm 7y ago

If you want to slog through it here is the post mentioned in the OP: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...

TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
That's not a website you would normally want to go anywhere near. It is a forum where stalkers and creeps go to obsess over and make fun of the lives of people who aren't public figures.
- kemonocode 7y ago
  It's also a website with a culture of methodically archiving people's behavior, whether you agree with how it gets used or not. I agree with freedom of speech, but also I do think people ought to be held accountable for the things they say and do.
  - throwanem 7y ago
    I'd be awfully hesitant to trust factual claims made by people who speak and behave as that site's users do. Nothing I've seen from them suggests a willingness to scruple at fabricating evidence.
    - Cyberdog 7y ago
      On the contrary, Kiwis are meticulous about verifying and preserving evidence. Posting information about someone without third-party archive links or some other way to verify what you're saying will result in you, at best, being politely reminded to post verification. If it's verified that you were intentionally posting false information to stir up drama, you will likely be banned and maybe even have your own thread made about you with all of your dirty laundry proudly on display. Yes, Kiwis dox and mock people and say gamer words, and that sort of edgi boi behavior isn't for everyone. But the information it collects is rarely inaccurate. EDIT: For what it's worth, it looks like Byuu posted in his own thread last month taking accountability for some of his bad behavior and got a mostly warm response from the Kiwis. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/post-5982121 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
      - tiles 7y ago
        This is such a strange response. Byuu's two posts later in the thread contain several corrections, particularly on their alleged cartridge hoarding behavior. It invalidates the claims of the original post while not denying any of the evidence was true. A well sourced Wikipedia article can still be biased. The presence of sources isn't mutually exclusive with bias.
        Cyberdog 7y ago
        > It invalidates the claims of the original post while not denying any of the evidence was true. So the evidence is still true, then? And the paragraph at the top of the OP states that it is slightly out of date. > A well sourced Wikipedia article can still be biased. Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/978/ https://xkcd.com/978/ I'm increasingly becoming convinced Wikipedia is a toxic garbage dump. The Wii U article states that it had the fewest game releases of any Nintendo console. I tried adding the words "…since the Virtual Boy" to turn that into a factually correct statement and it got reverted. I don't have the time to get into a slapfight with another editor about facts, so the incorrect statement remains. Whatever.
  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    There used to be a banner in that site that said that white-knighting was not allowed. I understood that to mean that if someone posted something refuting another post that was criticizing that person they would get banned. I would agree with you if kiwifarms was a truly free site that aimed to stay objective but this does not seem to be the case.
  - tiles 7y ago
    "Held accountable" on the post seems to include moral depravity like "he posted anti-Trump tweets". I don't think that's really accurate here.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  It's also highly unpleasant, with a lexicon reminiscent of 4chan.
  - snvzz 7y ago
    I find 4chan a quite friendly place in contrast. This forum seems focused on hate and trying to harm people.
    - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
      Wow, you all weren't joking. That place is the chunks at the bottom of a cesspool. Even 4chan /b/ is friendlier.
      - nonbirithm 7y ago
        They're the kind of people who try to make themselves sound reasonable by saying some of their members are also part of vulnerable communities, then turn around and call people "spergs" as an insult and let it slide. In the end, all that matters to them is if they get a good laugh out of it, as it always has been.
- bartread 7y ago
  I mean, yeah, I'm pretty sure that byuu has done some things he regrets in life, including content he's posted online. That's hardly unusual for people who've been on the internet for a long time, and is something that we as a society are going to have to learn to deal with better than we do at the moment. People change, and dredging up stuff that people posted years ago is more than a little bit sad, and deeply unedifying for everyone. I'd never heard of Kiwi Farms before today and, honestly, I could cheerfully have gone my whole life without knowing about it. I started reading the thread, then skimmed the responses further down and was, basically, appalled. This website truly does plumb the depths of mental depravity. It's a cesspool of lazy, warped, corrupted thinking. Wikipedia has a pretty good overview of what you're getting into there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms As such, I would regard any perspective on byuu shared on that site as highly suspect, and I certainly wouldn't use it as a yardstick by which to assess him as a human being. Right: I think it might be time to go and disinfect my eyes and my brain.
- a_t48 7y ago
  Yeah - everyone says dumb things at one point or another. Maybe some of the callout is warranted, but collating every possible embarrassing thing someone has said is too much.
kithrothrowi 7y ago
I would like to point out that byuu's recent response to that thread was composed and dignified: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/page-6#post-5982121 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430.... As someone with who wasn't familiar with the drama I came away with the impression that byuu handled it rather well in the end (and also has grown as a person thanks to it). It does make me wonder if from the perspective of PR and reducing further trolling posting a calm, eloquent and self-deprecating defense is better or worse than not responding at all. What would you do if you had a Kiwi Farms thread with your embarrassing posts, some very old? (Throwaway because I don't want a link to Kiwi Farms in my post history.)
- Kaze404 7y ago
  I clicked that link expecting to be horrified and was still shocked by the first thing I glanced at. Thanks for linking, but I wouldn't advise anyone to click it. It's not worth it.
  - byuu 7y ago
    To be fair, I have a much better fursona now ^-^;; https://twitter.com/Kampidh/status/1234029776144175110 https://twitter.com/Kampidh/status/1234029776144175110 (it's G-rated, don't worry.)
    - Kaze404 7y ago
      I was referring to the immediate n-word. Furries are fine, shaming people for what they enjoy is cringe. Fwiw I think your fursona is adorable.
      - byuu 7y ago
        Ah, yeah. Lovely bunch there. > Fwiw I think your fursona is adorable. Thank you very much ^-^
    - Aloha 7y ago
      Your Fursona is adorable, though, uhh.. what species are you?
kfbthrwy 7y ago
Ah Kiwifarms... you see though, they often err on the side of whatever is the most juicy. They’re infamous for taking tenuous bits of evidence to paint a horrible picture of someone. They are also masters at omitting things that would hurt this case, even if it’s the very next sentence in a paragraph. Now on one hand, a lot of the subjects on kiwifarms are in fact not the type of people anyone would want to defend; many of them really are horrible people. And, you could argue that what kiwifarms does is not a big deal, since it’s just archiving what people say. But then, I think it highlights one of the things people hate about the internet. Which is to say, the looming record. Everything someone has ever said or defended might be archived somewhere, to be picked apart endlessly. The thing is, most of the time, more time is spent picking apart and dissecting text than was spent originally writing it. (Could it some day be these comments in this thread being archived and weaponized? Maybe.) I think byuu’s reply underscores all of that. But even moreso, it underscores something more sinister, imo. Byuu never left a shred of evidence about his sexuality anywhere, which is because he is asexual. However, he is accused of pedophilia for defending comic books. Now there are enough pornographic comic books in this world to find at least one that’ll make anyone’s skin crawl, but it is still just ink on paper. Even if you still think it should be banned, I don’t see how you could possibly, with good conscience, accuse someone of potentially being a pedophile over your position on this issue, especially knowing Japanese culture surrounding this phenomenon. There is no need to make bad analogies to defend this position. It is a logical leap of epic proportions to suggest not wanting to censor comics fantasizing about something is somehow advocating for the thing they fantasize about. Byuu gave up his position, which was a smart thing to do nowadays, as this non-sense idea that being anti-censorship makes you a pedophile is actually pervasive in both left and right leaning circles nowadays. I know some people think I’m exaggerating here, but the battle has been rather vicious against online artists, who in the west have in many cases stopped posting pornography altogether to avoid stepping on glass, and there’s a ton of pressure being put on Patreon and its payment processors to the point where Patreon now claims officially that you can no longer post illustrated pornography with anime-style features[1]. I think it is, at best, scummy behavior to go and take someone’s opinion on this subject and use it to extrapolate on how they might be a predator in real life. Of course, something also common with both Kiwifarms and with the left-leaning internet is guilt by association. So god help you if you are friends with anyone who has a banned opinion. There are other preposterous logical conclusion jumps than just this one too! I don’t think any of them are as vicious because they are easier to call out as bullshit because you won’t be unilaterally shat on for defending pedophilia when doing so. In byuu’s case, though, I think this was the most egregious one. All in all, what Kiwifarms claims to do and I believe even what they think they do seems like it would not be all that bad; it almost seems a bit journalistic on its face. But as usual, the devil is in the details. Throwaway account for many reasons that are already obvious if you read this far. I am not mortified of being outed or anything, as I really do stand by my opinions, but I suspect there would be very little benefit to standing by it with my own name in this day and age. :( [1] https://twitter.com/waero_re/status/1238408555507539968 https://twitter.com/waero_re/status/1238408555507539968

asveikau 7y ago

Whatever it is, it wouldn't shock me if he were being too hard on himself. I have seen him comment here for instance, and I do not follow the scene at all, but many of those were interesting comments. I am only skimming the linked article elsewhere in the thread and it seems too hard on him too.