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It’s a shame that the only candidate that wants to tear down this ridiculous health system is getting the boot by the party he is aligned with. The health syst
by xyst 7y ago
It’s a shame that the only candidate that wants to tear down this ridiculous health system is getting the boot by the party he is aligned with.
The health system in the US is only accessible to those with money. It doesn’t have to be this way. I am not saying socialized healthcare will cure all ailments, but it would definitely be better than the current privatized system.
- adrr 7y agoMedicare for all doesn't give people a choice between private insurance or government insurance. It's a non-starter, i am happy with my insurance like tens of millions of people in the US. Government option gives us a choice proposed by the front runner. Everyone wants to compare us to Canada. Canada gives you a choice and 25% have private insurance. Edit: going to vote me down for just listing facts.
- m_ke 7y agoMillions of people are about to lose their "chosen" insurance when they get fired from their jobs.
- erentz 7y agoYou’re wrong. In Canada and most countries with government single payer insurance you can buy private supplemental insurance that covers more elective or less necessary things the single payer doesn’t. I haven’t seen a Medicare for All proposal that bans that.
- adrr 7y ago"About 27.6% of Canadians' healthcare is paid for through the private sector. This mostly goes towards services not covered or partially covered by Medicare, such as prescription drugs, dentistry and optometry. Some 75% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance; many of them receive it through their employers.[63]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada If a quarter of spending is paid by private, it isn't single payer.
- erentz 7y agoNo. You said that in Canada you can choose between the public insurer or a private insurer. You cannot. You framed this comparison incorrectly this way in order to promote the idea of a public option which is very different. In Canada everyone gets the public single payer insurance. The parts that the public single payer insurance does not cover can be covered by buying supplemental private insurance. That is not a public option scenario.
- surewhynat 7y agoYou know healthcare isn't just dental and eye exams right? Canada covers 100% of everything that isn't dental and eye exams. Also, your insulin shot doesn't cost $1000+ in Canada either. You're a troll, bolstering false information.
- adrr 7y agoDoesn't cover prescription drugs.
- surewhynat 7y agoDon't take the Canadian medical system out of context. BASELINE medical which exists for ALL CANADIANS covers vast majority of procedures. Heart Attack? Included. Stroke? Included. Broken Leg? Included. Black Eye? Included. Got a nasty bug on your trip? Included. You only have to pay for some additional items like eye exam and dental. Most expensive common dental procedure: wisdom teeth removal, root canal ... Total cost is under $10,000... How about the optician? The most expensive eye exam? Usually free if you buy a pair of glasses. Glasses start at $100. Drugs can be expensive, but, guess what? They're free if you're under 25. If you're over 25, it's still covered a lot by the federal government first. You pay less than what it costs in America. What's our trick? We have price caps on procedures instead of each hospital feeling like it has to engage in a nonsense cat-and-mouse pricing term negotiation game.
- vidarh 7y agoBy that argument there isn't any single payer healthcare systems in the world. The reality is that when people talk about "single payer" they talk about systems where the essential services are insured by a single entity, not a system without any private healthcare, because none exists.
- surewhynat 7y agoYou're a parasite. You are exactly the problem, infecting American's minds with false information. This trolling over every other first world's country access to medical care is the problem in America. Canadian's always have a baseline AMAZING medical care system. 25% do not choose private insurance INSTEAD of this baseline system. There are private insurers that employers offer for things like Dental, Optometrist access... You can also bet that Canada is not charging each citizen $34k to get tested for COVID-19 and have some basic drugs given to them. Do not compare this completely garbage american system to Canadian getting additional insurance for dental and eye exams. This is a time to get a real hard look at your society and fix the problems. Stop trolling looking at what may be wrong in other countries and worry about your own problems, of which you have MANY in the american healthcare system.
- matchbok 7y agoParasite? Please, grow up dude. Reported your comment. People like are why the everyone hates bernie.
- dang 7y agoWe've banned this account. You can't do flamewar like this here, regardless of how right you are or feel, or how wrong others are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- xyst 7y agoI have private insurance with a Fortune 500 company and I am still not happy with my insurance. I still have no clue what my bill will be after each visit. Doctor's office bills for X and Y, but insurance will only pay for X and half of Y. Then I have to fight the insurance company to pay for Y. This back and forth between the doctor, patient, and insurance company is highly unnecessary and the only benefactor is the insurance company. One could argue that the private health insurance industry is actually causing costs to go up because doctors, hospitals, and clinics have to submit detailed medical billing codes to get properly paid for their services.
- adrr 7y agoAnecdotal evidence doesn't match the actual polling. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcar...
- matchbok 7y agoSimply not true, at all. He can kick and scream all he wants, but his plan would never pass Congress. You don't get things done by doing it his way. Ever. It's terrifying how many people forget how HARD the ACA was.