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Sanderite Medicare for All is a subset of Universal Healthcare. Please stop pretending they see the same thing.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
It’s estimated to save 68k lives and $450 billions dollars per year [1]. If you have a better proposal, champion it. [1] https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/medicare-for-all-would-save-more-than-68000-lives-and-450-billion-every-year-according-to-new-study/ https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/medicare-for-...
Benjmhart 7y ago
No, push for the most aggressive plan possible. This is the one moment in history you might just get what you want. If you start in the middle they'll argue you down to nothing. Hold firm and tell. Don't ask.
- Ygg2 7y ago
  I'd honestly be surprised if universal healthcare will ever be on the table. Between Trump and Biden, there won't be any discussions. What could happen is that Biden gets KO'ed by the disease, leaving Sanders the default democratic candidate.
- martythemaniak 7y ago
  The Sanderite strategy was to insist that there is only one way to do things, which was his way, and everybody else must simply fall in line. It didn't work last time, it didn't work this time.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    It works if something happens to enough of the electorate opposing it (about 5k people over 55 die each day, the older you are the more moderate or conservative you skew [vs progressive] per Pew Research). This ignores death spikes from black swan events (COVID-19); they bring about change more rapidly. “Progress occurs one funeral at a time”, apologies to Max Planck. Just as interracial marriage, womens’ voting rights, the legalization of abortion, same sex marriage, and the slow sweep of marijuana legalization and prison reform come eventually, this too will arrive. We’re just arguing the timeline, which is frankly insane we’re willing to wait so long to save the lives of so many of our fellow citizens.
funklute 7y ago
For the non-Americans, what is the difference?
- martythemaniak 7y ago
  I am a Canadian and we have the exact system Sanders wants in this US. With very few explicit exceptions, private medical insurance is illegal and the government is the only insurer. It is also not possible to pay for or provide supplementary services, ie, if you have to wait 2 months for something, there are no private clinics that can do it in 2 weeks. Universal Healthcare means everybody is covered and there's many different way to provide such coverage. Canada's is not even a very common approach.
  - burfog 7y ago
    There are numerous private clinics that can get things done fast, and Canadians often use them. Things would be different if the border were closed or if Canadians lived far from it. Without that easy-to-cross border, the political pressure to allow private clinics would be irresistible. The law would change.

It’s estimated to save 68k lives and $450 billions dollars per year [1]. If you have a better proposal, champion it. [1] https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/medicare-for-all-would-save-more-than-68000-lives-and-450-billion-every-year-according-to-new-study/ https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/medicare-for-...

Benjmhart 7y ago

No, push for the most aggressive plan possible. This is the one moment in history you might just get what you want. If you start in the middle they'll argue you down to nothing. Hold firm and tell. Don't ask.

Ygg2 7y ago
I'd honestly be surprised if universal healthcare will ever be on the table. Between Trump and Biden, there won't be any discussions. What could happen is that Biden gets KO'ed by the disease, leaving Sanders the default democratic candidate.
martythemaniak 7y ago
The Sanderite strategy was to insist that there is only one way to do things, which was his way, and everybody else must simply fall in line. It didn't work last time, it didn't work this time.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  It works if something happens to enough of the electorate opposing it (about 5k people over 55 die each day, the older you are the more moderate or conservative you skew [vs progressive] per Pew Research). This ignores death spikes from black swan events (COVID-19); they bring about change more rapidly. “Progress occurs one funeral at a time”, apologies to Max Planck. Just as interracial marriage, womens’ voting rights, the legalization of abortion, same sex marriage, and the slow sweep of marijuana legalization and prison reform come eventually, this too will arrive. We’re just arguing the timeline, which is frankly insane we’re willing to wait so long to save the lives of so many of our fellow citizens.

funklute 7y ago

For the non-Americans, what is the difference?

martythemaniak 7y ago
I am a Canadian and we have the exact system Sanders wants in this US. With very few explicit exceptions, private medical insurance is illegal and the government is the only insurer. It is also not possible to pay for or provide supplementary services, ie, if you have to wait 2 months for something, there are no private clinics that can do it in 2 weeks. Universal Healthcare means everybody is covered and there's many different way to provide such coverage. Canada's is not even a very common approach.
- burfog 7y ago
  There are numerous private clinics that can get things done fast, and Canadians often use them. Things would be different if the border were closed or if Canadians lived far from it. Without that easy-to-cross border, the political pressure to allow private clinics would be irresistible. The law would change.