4 ms·

Maybe, maybe not. Until we get the hard data regarding what is happening in London, we can't say anything definite. Look at Italy - it was a horrible pandemic -

Maybe, maybe not. Until we get the hard data regarding what is happening in London, we can't say anything definite. Look at Italy - it was a horrible pandemic - until we got the data, which made it much more reasonable.

greedo 7y ago
So now Italy's pandemic has gone from "horrible" to "reasonable?" It's CFR is increasing, not decreasing. The number of cases is increasing exponentially, not flattening, and the death rate in human terms is approaching 1K per day. I don't know what world you live in, but here in reality, this is horrible.
- yotamoron 7y ago
  Just as a side note, Italy had almost 50k death in 2015 - from respiratory diseases alonr. No one was crying 'Pandemic!!' when that happened. Adjusted to population size, this is 4 times mord then here in Israel. Italy has 21% smokers rate, many many of them are old. These data (and more) is unique to Italy, and the reason why corona is so deadly THERE. And in any case - what would be the death rate and for how long if the entire world implements alengthy lockdown?
- yotamoron 7y ago
  In the US, 1 person dies of cardiovascular disease every 37 seconds. Since no body cries in the media 'Pandemic!!' (although it is a very real one), I guess that its not the total number of deaths per day that is shocking, its the exponential growth. The growth is indeed exponential, there is no doubt about that, but what is its potential? Judging from the data we now have from Italy and the rest of the world, it has a very small overall potential - the very old and very sick (obviously we have to take care of them, but a global hysteria??). What is the equivalent? Say you started a new web service, that is wonderful and very attractive and cost effective and what-have-you - but only for people who's name start with the letter K. The media is exploding with compliments, subscriptions are going through the roof, all the celebs who's name start with the letter K subscribe and praise etc etc, and you indeed get an exponential growth - for just a few days. Then the source dries up. No new subscribers. All the potential market is exhausted. You end up with a few million subscribers - and no more growth what-so-ever, exponential or linear.
DanBC 7y ago
> Look at Italy - it was a horrible pandemic - until we got the data, Italy just had 793 deaths in one day. If you really want to "look at Italy" why are you ignoring all the Italian doctors? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-uk-deaths-cases-hopsitals-nhs-doctors-masks-ventilators-a9409806.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-... https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-italy-doctors-forced-to-prioritise-icu-care-for-patients-with-best-chance-of-s https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-italy-doctor... At the moment one Italian dies from covid-19 every two minutes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51984399 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51984399
- yotamoron 7y ago
  In 2015, 1 italian died of repiratory diseases every 11 minutes or so. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease, and given the fact that Italy has a vast population with severe respiratory issues (unlike many many other countries), covid-19 just made the already bad situation worse. This is definitely NOT the situation in the rest of the world.

greedo 7y ago

So now Italy's pandemic has gone from "horrible" to "reasonable?" It's CFR is increasing, not decreasing. The number of cases is increasing exponentially, not flattening, and the death rate in human terms is approaching 1K per day. I don't know what world you live in, but here in reality, this is horrible.

yotamoron 7y ago
Just as a side note, Italy had almost 50k death in 2015 - from respiratory diseases alonr. No one was crying 'Pandemic!!' when that happened. Adjusted to population size, this is 4 times mord then here in Israel. Italy has 21% smokers rate, many many of them are old. These data (and more) is unique to Italy, and the reason why corona is so deadly THERE. And in any case - what would be the death rate and for how long if the entire world implements alengthy lockdown?
yotamoron 7y ago
In the US, 1 person dies of cardiovascular disease every 37 seconds. Since no body cries in the media 'Pandemic!!' (although it is a very real one), I guess that its not the total number of deaths per day that is shocking, its the exponential growth. The growth is indeed exponential, there is no doubt about that, but what is its potential? Judging from the data we now have from Italy and the rest of the world, it has a very small overall potential - the very old and very sick (obviously we have to take care of them, but a global hysteria??). What is the equivalent? Say you started a new web service, that is wonderful and very attractive and cost effective and what-have-you - but only for people who's name start with the letter K. The media is exploding with compliments, subscriptions are going through the roof, all the celebs who's name start with the letter K subscribe and praise etc etc, and you indeed get an exponential growth - for just a few days. Then the source dries up. No new subscribers. All the potential market is exhausted. You end up with a few million subscribers - and no more growth what-so-ever, exponential or linear.

DanBC 7y ago

> Look at Italy - it was a horrible pandemic - until we got the data, Italy just had 793 deaths in one day. If you really want to "look at Italy" why are you ignoring all the Italian doctors? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-uk-deaths-cases-hopsitals-nhs-doctors-masks-ventilators-a9409806.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-... https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-italy-doctors-forced-to-prioritise-icu-care-for-patients-with-best-chance-of-s https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-italy-doctor... At the moment one Italian dies from covid-19 every two minutes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51984399 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51984399

yotamoron 7y ago
In 2015, 1 italian died of repiratory diseases every 11 minutes or so. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease, and given the fact that Italy has a vast population with severe respiratory issues (unlike many many other countries), covid-19 just made the already bad situation worse. This is definitely NOT the situation in the rest of the world.