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This is stupid, it's a respiratory virus, it needs to enter your lungs. Get your stuff, wash your hands. Done. This is why restaurants are still open for takeou

by hkchad 7y ago

This is stupid, it's a respiratory virus, it needs to enter your lungs. Get your stuff, wash your hands. Done. This is why restaurants are still open for takeout.

tptacek 7y ago
All of these instructions apply to restaurant takeout.
pengaru 7y ago
> This is stupid, it's a respiratory virus, it needs to enter your lungs. Get your stuff, wash your hands. Done. This is why restaurants are still open for takeout. Why is washing your hands appropriate but not washing the contaminated items you'll touch with your washed hands afterwards? Your comment strikes me as stupid.
- jMyles 7y ago
  > Why is washing your hands appropriate Sadly, it's not entirely clear that washing hands makes a difference either. It might, but it also might not. Michael Ostermholm, director of CIDRAP, explained, 'One of the things, people want to do something. They want to feel like they’re doing something, and so we tell them, “Wash your hands often to prevent this disease.”' [0] There has been one study showing that SARS-CoV-2 can remain viable, albeit exponentially degraded, for 72 hours on certain hard plastics or metals, in ideal conditions in a laboratory. [1] So there's that. We don't know whether fomite transmission is possible yet. It's probably not the best idea to spend a lot of time or mental anguish scrubbing and sanitizing everything, but obviously simple easy steps like washing hands with non-antibacterial soap can't hurt. 0: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/joe-rogan-michael-osterholm-podcast-transcript-infectious-disease-expert-talks-coronavirus https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/joe-rogan-michael-oster... 1: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=fea...
  - ornornor 7y ago
    I assumed the wash your hands thing was so that when you inevitably touch your face you’ll do so with cleanish hands and avoid depositing the virus near your nose or mouth where it could then go to your lungs.
    - jMyles 7y ago
      Yes, that is true. And also preventing exposure to conjunctiva (thought conjunctival transmission hasn't been shown yet either). It's just not 100% clear whether this form of transmission is actually possible. The surprising part to me is that Osterholm was so candid on the topic.
- kyriakos 7y ago
  Cause you may put your finger in your nose or rub your eyes but you won't do that with the food containers. If you wash your hands which came in contact with the food and its container after eating and avoid touching your face while eating your food then you don't deliver any viruses to your respiratory system.
kube-system 7y ago
I have not seen any evidence showing that the virus must directly enter via the lungs to be transmitted. Every authoritative source I've seen recommends taking precautions from transmission via surfaces as well.
- kyriakos 7y ago
  There's no evidence of the opposite either. Check the faq her: https://www.bfr.bund.de/en/can_the_new_type_of_coronavirus_be_transmitted_via_food_and_objects_-244090.html https://www.bfr.bund.de/en/can_the_new_type_of_coronavirus_b...
  - kube-system 7y ago
    There's a lack of evidence in general. That FAQ makes the same points as the OP does -- that the risk of infection via food and/or surfaces is low, but possible.
dwd 7y ago
And someone else in your household picks up one of those items a couple of hours later (not knowing it only recently arrived via delivery) and touches their eyes, mouth or nose...

by hkchad 7y ago

This is stupid, it's a respiratory virus, it needs to enter your lungs. Get your stuff, wash your hands. Done. This is why restaurants are still open for takeout.

tptacek 7y ago

All of these instructions apply to restaurant takeout.

pengaru 7y ago

> This is stupid, it's a respiratory virus, it needs to enter your lungs. Get your stuff, wash your hands. Done. This is why restaurants are still open for takeout. Why is washing your hands appropriate but not washing the contaminated items you'll touch with your washed hands afterwards? Your comment strikes me as stupid.

jMyles 7y ago
> Why is washing your hands appropriate Sadly, it's not entirely clear that washing hands makes a difference either. It might, but it also might not. Michael Ostermholm, director of CIDRAP, explained, 'One of the things, people want to do something. They want to feel like they’re doing something, and so we tell them, “Wash your hands often to prevent this disease.”' [0] There has been one study showing that SARS-CoV-2 can remain viable, albeit exponentially degraded, for 72 hours on certain hard plastics or metals, in ideal conditions in a laboratory. [1] So there's that. We don't know whether fomite transmission is possible yet. It's probably not the best idea to spend a lot of time or mental anguish scrubbing and sanitizing everything, but obviously simple easy steps like washing hands with non-antibacterial soap can't hurt. 0: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/joe-rogan-michael-osterholm-podcast-transcript-infectious-disease-expert-talks-coronavirus https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/joe-rogan-michael-oster... 1: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=fea...
- ornornor 7y ago
  I assumed the wash your hands thing was so that when you inevitably touch your face you’ll do so with cleanish hands and avoid depositing the virus near your nose or mouth where it could then go to your lungs.
  - jMyles 7y ago
    Yes, that is true. And also preventing exposure to conjunctiva (thought conjunctival transmission hasn't been shown yet either). It's just not 100% clear whether this form of transmission is actually possible. The surprising part to me is that Osterholm was so candid on the topic.
kyriakos 7y ago
Cause you may put your finger in your nose or rub your eyes but you won't do that with the food containers. If you wash your hands which came in contact with the food and its container after eating and avoid touching your face while eating your food then you don't deliver any viruses to your respiratory system.

kube-system 7y ago

I have not seen any evidence showing that the virus must directly enter via the lungs to be transmitted. Every authoritative source I've seen recommends taking precautions from transmission via surfaces as well.

kyriakos 7y ago
There's no evidence of the opposite either. Check the faq her: https://www.bfr.bund.de/en/can_the_new_type_of_coronavirus_be_transmitted_via_food_and_objects_-244090.html https://www.bfr.bund.de/en/can_the_new_type_of_coronavirus_b...
- kube-system 7y ago
  There's a lack of evidence in general. That FAQ makes the same points as the OP does -- that the risk of infection via food and/or surfaces is low, but possible.

dwd 7y ago

And someone else in your household picks up one of those items a couple of hours later (not knowing it only recently arrived via delivery) and touches their eyes, mouth or nose...