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I can see many tech ppl switching over to a chromium browser because they might possibly use ftp in the future and just want to install one browser. It's those

I can see many tech ppl switching over to a chromium browser because they might possibly use ftp in the future and just want to install one browser. It's those ppl that install (or even know about) FF, generally. Other than a part time dev and some testing, it's hard to see the costs of supporting ftp. It's a string of decision-making like this that has made FF drop off the list of "supported" browsers in many organizations and may lead to a 2 engine Internet. This is bad for everyone, IMO. Mozilla board: Look at your browser share: you need to replace the management team immediately - we need FF.

untog 7y ago
Chrome is also deprecating FTP so I don’t think that’ll happen. Plus Mozilla isn’t an organisation the size of Google. They have to prioritise what they’re going to support and it makes total sense to ditch FTP support. I’m a professional web developer and I’d never choose which browser I use based on whether it supports FTP. I barely ever use it, and when I do I just use FileZilla or something similar that makes much more sense for FTP.
- RandyRanderson 7y ago
  Re: chrome right but this would give ppl at least one reason to use FF. Mozilla just does a browser (at least they should only do one) so 500MM USD /year or whatever their budget is should suffice, right? [0] I would be careful with FZ: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8pdubg/filezilla_contains_malware_in_latest_version/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8pdubg/filezill... [0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-expenses-grew-twice-the-rate-of-revenue.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-...
  - JohnTHaller 7y ago
    This was an old version of FileZilla from 2016 from a relatively short-lived experiment when a previous incarnation of SourceForge was helping open source projects 'monetize'. There was no malware and no infection. It was an online downloader with bundleware. FileZilla is solid software and every version has been clean. I know because I scan every release in dozens of antivirus engines via VirusTotal as part of packaging FileZilla Portable for PortableApps.com.
threatofrain 7y ago
It's not obvious to me that Mozilla is doing anything very wrong, except for not having enough money to keep their browser experience as polished as Chrome's, and most importantly, they aren't marketing like Google. Google doesn't need their browser to make money, and Google advertises their browser in ways that Mozilla can't match. It's surprising that Mozilla can even be half-healthy.
- RandyRanderson 7y ago
  500MM USD is not enough to build- sorry maintain a browser???? https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-expenses-grew-twice-the-rate-of-revenue.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-...
  - threatofrain 7y ago
    Mozilla is already maintaining and improving Firefox while exploring other things like Rust, but they're not winning the war against Google. And improvement is relative -- to Google. Maintaining is losing, esp. while Google isn't just competing on browsers but also ecosystem. Otherwise I'm sure Microsoft would like to be the winner. And there are new users everyday. It makes sense that some of those new experiences are the system defaults, like Safari or Edge. It also makes sense that some of those experiences would be Chrome if you're in the Google ecosystem. But why Firefox? Privacy? I don't think that's bad, I just don't think it's enough vs Google.

untog 7y ago

Chrome is also deprecating FTP so I don’t think that’ll happen. Plus Mozilla isn’t an organisation the size of Google. They have to prioritise what they’re going to support and it makes total sense to ditch FTP support. I’m a professional web developer and I’d never choose which browser I use based on whether it supports FTP. I barely ever use it, and when I do I just use FileZilla or something similar that makes much more sense for FTP.

RandyRanderson 7y ago
Re: chrome right but this would give ppl at least one reason to use FF. Mozilla just does a browser (at least they should only do one) so 500MM USD /year or whatever their budget is should suffice, right? [0] I would be careful with FZ: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8pdubg/filezilla_contains_malware_in_latest_version/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8pdubg/filezill... [0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-expenses-grew-twice-the-rate-of-revenue.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-...
- JohnTHaller 7y ago
  This was an old version of FileZilla from 2016 from a relatively short-lived experiment when a previous incarnation of SourceForge was helping open source projects 'monetize'. There was no malware and no infection. It was an online downloader with bundleware. FileZilla is solid software and every version has been clean. I know because I scan every release in dozens of antivirus engines via VirusTotal as part of packaging FileZilla Portable for PortableApps.com.

threatofrain 7y ago

It's not obvious to me that Mozilla is doing anything very wrong, except for not having enough money to keep their browser experience as polished as Chrome's, and most importantly, they aren't marketing like Google. Google doesn't need their browser to make money, and Google advertises their browser in ways that Mozilla can't match. It's surprising that Mozilla can even be half-healthy.

RandyRanderson 7y ago
500MM USD is not enough to build- sorry maintain a browser???? https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-expenses-grew-twice-the-rate-of-revenue.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-...
- threatofrain 7y ago
  Mozilla is already maintaining and improving Firefox while exploring other things like Rust, but they're not winning the war against Google. And improvement is relative -- to Google. Maintaining is losing, esp. while Google isn't just competing on browsers but also ecosystem. Otherwise I'm sure Microsoft would like to be the winner. And there are new users everyday. It makes sense that some of those new experiences are the system defaults, like Safari or Edge. It also makes sense that some of those experiences would be Chrome if you're in the Google ecosystem. But why Firefox? Privacy? I don't think that's bad, I just don't think it's enough vs Google.