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I wear my seatbelt whenever I go for a drive. But I also have a motorcycle license. Your rhetoric seems equally applicable to regarding everyone on a motorcycle

I wear my seatbelt whenever I go for a drive. But I also have a motorcycle license. Your rhetoric seems equally applicable to regarding everyone on a motorcycle as a sociopath and/or deviant. When I read this sort of angry screed it scares me because it suggests to me that people are unstable, that behavior and reasoning can suddenly change due to switching contexts.

nerdponx 7y ago
regarding everyone on a motorcycle as a sociopath and/or deviant As a society we have accepted that a safe and responsible motorcycle operator should be allowed to do their thing, and that the freedom (and convenience) is worth the increased risk compared to a car. Moreover, how much of an increased risk does a responsible motorcycle operator actually pose compared to a car operator, without other vehicles involved? IMO you should be subject to serious and increased legal penalties for reckless driving (failing to signal, etc.) when a safely-operated motorcycle is nearby. And likewise for motorcyclists who speed down the highway threading between lanes should. You're also not the first person on the Internet to bring up the motorcycle false equivalence as a counterargument to disease control methods like this. Not sure what to make of that. it suggests to me that people are unstable, that behavior and reasoning can suddenly change due to switching contexts This is pretty much true in my experience. You can look up a field called "behavioral economics" if you don't want to take my word for it. angry screed Why do I even bother? Is everything you disagree with an "angry screed"?
- perl4ever 7y ago
  "Is everything you disagree with an "angry screed"?" No. But my threshold may be lower than it used to be, because I'm worrying lately about how other people react to stress under current circumstances. "As a society we have accepted that a safe and responsible motorcycle operator should be allowed to do their thing" I'm not sure if you can really prove that "as a society we have accepted..." something, but assuming we have, my point was how arbitrary it is. We draw a little box around different things, and motorcycles only have to be safe relative to motorcycle norms, while cars have to be safe relative to car norms. And norms differ from country to country. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily on a crusade to break down that sort of compartmentalization, I just alternately read people questioning it and people taking it for granted, so I tend to think of the other side either way.

nerdponx 7y ago

regarding everyone on a motorcycle as a sociopath and/or deviant As a society we have accepted that a safe and responsible motorcycle operator should be allowed to do their thing, and that the freedom (and convenience) is worth the increased risk compared to a car. Moreover, how much of an increased risk does a responsible motorcycle operator actually pose compared to a car operator, without other vehicles involved? IMO you should be subject to serious and increased legal penalties for reckless driving (failing to signal, etc.) when a safely-operated motorcycle is nearby. And likewise for motorcyclists who speed down the highway threading between lanes should. You're also not the first person on the Internet to bring up the motorcycle false equivalence as a counterargument to disease control methods like this. Not sure what to make of that. it suggests to me that people are unstable, that behavior and reasoning can suddenly change due to switching contexts This is pretty much true in my experience. You can look up a field called "behavioral economics" if you don't want to take my word for it. angry screed Why do I even bother? Is everything you disagree with an "angry screed"?

perl4ever 7y ago
"Is everything you disagree with an "angry screed"?" No. But my threshold may be lower than it used to be, because I'm worrying lately about how other people react to stress under current circumstances. "As a society we have accepted that a safe and responsible motorcycle operator should be allowed to do their thing" I'm not sure if you can really prove that "as a society we have accepted..." something, but assuming we have, my point was how arbitrary it is. We draw a little box around different things, and motorcycles only have to be safe relative to motorcycle norms, while cars have to be safe relative to car norms. And norms differ from country to country. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily on a crusade to break down that sort of compartmentalization, I just alternately read people questioning it and people taking it for granted, so I tend to think of the other side either way.