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What are the chances we can develop a way to stream good quality audio back and forth at acceptable latency (a few ms max) to make possible for bands to play li

What are the chances we can develop a way to stream good quality audio back and forth at acceptable latency (a few ms max) to make possible for bands to play live, each member from different locations? It would probably involve using dedicated connections plus axing a lot of security infrastructures to reduce latency, and make the remaining predictable.

jonrimmer 7y ago
Sadly latency makes this almost impossible. However, the guy who made Winamp came up with an interesting solution to this: https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ The idea is, everyone's playing is delayed by one measure, so they are playing along with people from the past, while everyone else is playing along with a past version of them. Kind of crazy.
- gdsdfe 7y ago
  that's actually a very good idea! thanks for sharing this.
- fenwick67 7y ago
  Wow, there are even some public servers, this is awesome!
oever 7y ago
It's here, just not easy to set up. NetJack offers low latency like Jack but over the network. There's also a more ambitious project called Lola. https://lola.conts.it/ https://lola.conts.it/ Since I'm not able to play with my band atm due to corona, I'll see if mumble has acceptable performance.
toast0 7y ago
On my current connection, the first hop is 20ms, so it's hopeless. Generally speaking though, you'd need wired connections, good routing, and excess bandwidth, since you'd want to forgo compression, since it's less predictable and adds delay.
- xtracto 7y ago
  So, what if we had client that would "account" for that delay and perform correction measures when mixing the audio streams? Net gaming has kind of solved it, of course for lower bandwidth streaming, but I feel that bandwidth is not the issue here .
djaque 7y ago
It's been done, but with dedicated fiber runs. The page isn't loading for me, but I'm pretty sure the article is [1]. [1] https://fohonline.com/newsroom/news/rat-sound-and-optocore-fibre-optic-networks-for-cross-country-simulcast/ https://fohonline.com/newsroom/news/rat-sound-and-optocore-f...

jonrimmer 7y ago

Sadly latency makes this almost impossible. However, the guy who made Winamp came up with an interesting solution to this: https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ The idea is, everyone's playing is delayed by one measure, so they are playing along with people from the past, while everyone else is playing along with a past version of them. Kind of crazy.

gdsdfe 7y ago
that's actually a very good idea! thanks for sharing this.
fenwick67 7y ago
Wow, there are even some public servers, this is awesome!

oever 7y ago

It's here, just not easy to set up. NetJack offers low latency like Jack but over the network. There's also a more ambitious project called Lola. https://lola.conts.it/ https://lola.conts.it/ Since I'm not able to play with my band atm due to corona, I'll see if mumble has acceptable performance.

toast0 7y ago

On my current connection, the first hop is 20ms, so it's hopeless. Generally speaking though, you'd need wired connections, good routing, and excess bandwidth, since you'd want to forgo compression, since it's less predictable and adds delay.

xtracto 7y ago
So, what if we had client that would "account" for that delay and perform correction measures when mixing the audio streams? Net gaming has kind of solved it, of course for lower bandwidth streaming, but I feel that bandwidth is not the issue here .

djaque 7y ago

It's been done, but with dedicated fiber runs. The page isn't loading for me, but I'm pretty sure the article is [1]. [1] https://fohonline.com/newsroom/news/rat-sound-and-optocore-fibre-optic-networks-for-cross-country-simulcast/ https://fohonline.com/newsroom/news/rat-sound-and-optocore-f...