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Outside of the "cult of Mac", people aren't really convinced on a $1000 laptop-ish device, on which apps are only allowed to run after passing an anal probe fro

Outside of the "cult of Mac", people aren't really convinced on a $1000 laptop-ish device, on which apps are only allowed to run after passing an anal probe from the app store review team. Which is why Apple stopped reporting unit sales on devices

darzu 7y ago
I for one am grateful for the extra scrutiny iOS apps get. I resent that desktop apps can basically reach into any part of my computer, take 20 seconds to close when I tell them to exit, prevent my computer from shutting down, hog all my resources when I'm not using them, actively steal focus if they decide, fail to run because of some "missing dependency", and do a half-assed job uninstalling themselves.
- throwGuardian 7y ago
  This is standard fear-mongering from Apple fanboys. The truth is that consumers gravitate to lean, high-quality apps regardless of a review process - the market is the ultimate review. I personally would not use any app that did what you described, and I don't see why anyone else would willingly use them. It doesn't take an anal probe by Apple to push high quality apps to the top of consumer mindshare. Also, let's for a moment assume Apple does give a flying f* for end-users. If they did, they wouldn't charge a $99 annual, per developer fee, and ban competitors (Steam, alternate payment methods, non Safari browser engines,...), retroactively revise app store policies, whimsically reject app submissions, purposefully cripple Safari's W3C compliance and force developers on to the app store, .... Apple's review process is 95% rooted in monopolistic control, & 5% in what their PR/spin claims it to be
  - gumby 7y ago
    Tell you what: you seem to really resent the process so feel free to stop developing for the platform. There is a competing platform that has all the properties you espouse. And there's even a natural experiment running on the Mac: there is an App Store like the iOS one and you can just download apps from the net. And guess what: users seem to prefer using the Mac App Store (which surprises me but, well, it's data).
    - iknowstuff 7y ago
      Oh boy. Don't you think an actual, fair experiment would have to consist of two preinstalled app stores? "Apple taxed App Store" and "Free App Store", the former with $99 developer payments, a 30% tax and reviews, and the other a free-for-all (not using Apple's CDN, same sandboxing security model).
      - maxhille 7y ago
        Nah, no one would use such a 'homebrewed' solution ;-)
        throwGuardian 7y ago
        Grandma would love the homebrew CLI!
    - throwGuardian 7y ago
      > you seem to really resent the process Do you know anyone who really enjoys it? > There is a competing platform that has all the properties you espouse. Thanks. This platitude was refreshingly insightful, and not obvious > users seem to prefer using the Mac App Store. Citation needed. Also, notarization is mandated by Apple, or the app isn't allowed to run. Guess what? The notarization certificate costs more than the Mac Store review (developer account). Lastly, are you an Apple employee, or just a fanboy?
      - dang 7y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments to HN. That's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - valuearb 7y ago
    $99 a year to build apps for a $20B annual revenues market? Are you joking?
- Epskampie 7y ago
  I completely agree, I want all apps on my platform (linux) to work like this, at the mercy of the rules of the operating system. However, app review isn’t a needed part of it, and I want to be the one in charge of the operating system, as I’m clearly not on iOS.

darzu 7y ago

I for one am grateful for the extra scrutiny iOS apps get. I resent that desktop apps can basically reach into any part of my computer, take 20 seconds to close when I tell them to exit, prevent my computer from shutting down, hog all my resources when I'm not using them, actively steal focus if they decide, fail to run because of some "missing dependency", and do a half-assed job uninstalling themselves.

throwGuardian 7y ago
This is standard fear-mongering from Apple fanboys. The truth is that consumers gravitate to lean, high-quality apps regardless of a review process - the market is the ultimate review. I personally would not use any app that did what you described, and I don't see why anyone else would willingly use them. It doesn't take an anal probe by Apple to push high quality apps to the top of consumer mindshare. Also, let's for a moment assume Apple does give a flying f* for end-users. If they did, they wouldn't charge a $99 annual, per developer fee, and ban competitors (Steam, alternate payment methods, non Safari browser engines,...), retroactively revise app store policies, whimsically reject app submissions, purposefully cripple Safari's W3C compliance and force developers on to the app store, .... Apple's review process is 95% rooted in monopolistic control, & 5% in what their PR/spin claims it to be
- gumby 7y ago
  Tell you what: you seem to really resent the process so feel free to stop developing for the platform. There is a competing platform that has all the properties you espouse. And there's even a natural experiment running on the Mac: there is an App Store like the iOS one and you can just download apps from the net. And guess what: users seem to prefer using the Mac App Store (which surprises me but, well, it's data).
  - iknowstuff 7y ago
    Oh boy. Don't you think an actual, fair experiment would have to consist of two preinstalled app stores? "Apple taxed App Store" and "Free App Store", the former with $99 developer payments, a 30% tax and reviews, and the other a free-for-all (not using Apple's CDN, same sandboxing security model).
    - maxhille 7y ago
      Nah, no one would use such a 'homebrewed' solution ;-)
      - throwGuardian 7y ago
        Grandma would love the homebrew CLI!
  - throwGuardian 7y ago
    > you seem to really resent the process Do you know anyone who really enjoys it? > There is a competing platform that has all the properties you espouse. Thanks. This platitude was refreshingly insightful, and not obvious > users seem to prefer using the Mac App Store. Citation needed. Also, notarization is mandated by Apple, or the app isn't allowed to run. Guess what? The notarization certificate costs more than the Mac Store review (developer account). Lastly, are you an Apple employee, or just a fanboy?
    - dang 7y ago
      We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments to HN. That's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- valuearb 7y ago
  $99 a year to build apps for a $20B annual revenues market? Are you joking?
Epskampie 7y ago
I completely agree, I want all apps on my platform (linux) to work like this, at the mercy of the rules of the operating system. However, app review isn’t a needed part of it, and I want to be the one in charge of the operating system, as I’m clearly not on iOS.